For the so call "inner game" No more Mr. nice guy (excellent book, now if your read it you will understand why the community is somehow important, since this generation has loss their manhood) second one psycho-cybernetics.... Some other good reads The Power Of Habit and how to win friends and influence people... Whatever you do, under no circumstances buy 50 shades of grey.

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Call me crazy but I really like the classic Unlimited Power by Tony Robbins.

These are some of my favorites: Sean Stephenson's Get off Your But, Tolle Eckhart's A New Earth, Richard Wiseman's 59 Seconds, Kent Sayre's Unstoppable Confidence. I have quite a few confidence, inner game books, I am working on a Confidence email boot camp for my website fans.

There are tons of solid reads out there 7 Habits of Highly Successful people. Train your Mind Change your Brain, Brain Rules, etc. I could list tons of very good reads but the majority of them say something similar, Wiseman's is based off of studies and thus is my favorite over all but I highly recommend Eckhart because it offers something a bit different and more spiritual.

That is just inner game books.....

Body Language wise - The encyclopedia of Body Language by Pease, Love Signals by Givens, Intimate Behaviors by Morris, The Biology of Love by Perper. The Expression of Emotions in Man and Animal and The Descent of Man by Darwin, Winning Body Language by Bowden, What Every Body is Saying by Navarro, Emotions Revealed by Ekman, Undercover Sex Signals by Lowndes,

Currently reading Secrets of Sexual Body Language by Elliot and I'd have to recommend it.

About women - Why men have no clue and women always need new shoes or why men don't listen and women can't read maps by Pease, Why women have Sex by Meston,

Charisma - Irresistible Attraction by Kevin Hogan, How to make Friends and Influence people by Carnegie

Should Read for whatever - Monsters and Magical Sticks by Heller (NLP), Influence by Ciadini, How to talk to Anyone by Lowndes, Cover Persuasion by Hogan, How We Decide by Lehrer, Tipping Point and Blink by Gladwell..

Just off the top of my head there is a grip of books for all you guys who want some solid knowledge.

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Ok, what books for a guy whos working 75 hours a week and only has time to read like 1 book/month ?

Whats would be your top 3 ?

First you need to be efficient, so to be efficient get audio books that you can listen while working out, or while driving or while working...

I have read over 200 books, i read minimum a book a month, if you are not learning you are not growing:

#1.- No more Mr. nice guy(i believe most pua books did a water down version of this book)
#2.- Psycho cybernetics ( i believe blue print water down version of this)
#3.- How To Win Friends And Influence People.

All of them specially #3 should be read and reviewed periodically....None of them are pua books. First 2 written by phds....0 Mental masturbation

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I am not sure some of these books are still available though.

Maybe via PDF download.

How To Win Friends And Influence People is old but very good IMHO.

Ive read many books and I find the book "badboy lifestyle" the best book ever.

Cyberen psychotis are very difficult to understand. I was thinking about so many other things when I read it, and I could read a line without thinking about something else.

I hate being this mean but if that is your contribution to this thread on reading books than you should probably stop recommending books immediately (its not that good of a book man, it was so good I forgot I even read it, meaning it was a meaningless book in my history of knowledgel). It clearly states on the thread title Best books are not PUA books... Which I'd agree with. The few PUA books I've read have taught me nothing in comparison to all the other books that taught me why that behavior works.

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Four books that were recommended to me were

1. Seven habits of highly effective people.
2. How to win friends and influence people.
3. The Power of Now.
4. Psycho- cybernetics.

I have gotten through Seven habits, and am currently re-reading How to win friends, and I have to say they a ton of useful information that is not only applicable to seduction but other areas of a person's life, exp: work, relationships, lifestyle, health.

Also skills and poet, thank for some of these suggestions, I will add them to read list!

Also my only real advice to this thread is to take notes from these books. I have a note book I carry in my truck and every time I fail in a social/seduction interaction I look into my notebook and see if I can find what I did wrong, or just didn't do.

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power of now was really good specially with dealing with worrying and anxiety, and i could not get through the 7 habits of highly effective people...But most people say is a solid read... I like the power of habit better...

How To Win Friends And Influence people can be applicable to seduction, if you do it right, but i get what you are saying...That is why i recommend it after no more mr. nice guy( the book has nothing to do with the title) i almost did not get it because of the title, it is one of the best book i have ever read...And it should be a must for seduction specially for keeping the girl, which is a problem that most puas have...

Poetic thanks for the list, i am definitely gonna get couple of books from that list...


Again guys i know reading gets a bad rap, as coming across as nerdy or mental masturbation...

But if you are not reading and learning you are not growing. Self development is important it goes hand in hand with pick up... I love audiable cause they have all the book in audio if they suck you have a year to return...

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Ive read half of #1 and #3. Not a fan, at all

How to win friends and Influence People was written in the 30's and you can really feel that, most of the sutff Ive read has been re-organized, categorized and updated 10 times since its been written, so its like learning how to make a fire when you've got a lighter in your pocket.

Ill try to get Psycho cybernetics

I have found that inner game comes with experience in the field and very little from other sources. A little bit of positive feedback heavily outweigh's rejection in our minds. If you pull one 9 do you really care about 20 rejections before that anymore? not much, your the man again you pulled a 9 and those rejections thus are illegitimate. You ponder, why did all those girls reject me if this hot one likes me? As you ask this question more and more with different girls you will create your own belief system or your own reality of the world. In this reality of yours, you will have reason's of your own that give you confidence/charm/charisma/innner game. As you learn what behaviors are attractive and what are not, your reality adaptss to incorporate new beliefs that justify having these attractive behaviors. your mental reality adapting to create attractive behaviors is the same thing as your "inner game" being developed.

inner game is about self esteem and how you feel inside and how you look at yourself and how you believe people look at you, about limiting beliefs etc... it has very little to do with rejection and what you described and if you get 20 rejections it will affect you, specially if women happen to see you got rejected, and interested women are observing for example in a club... Even if they were not when you get rejected that many times it will get to you, no matter how strong your inner game is... The books are more than that, anyways, the book i mentioned will help you grow and get better understanding of human interactions and will help you in many many ways... I am kind of tired of people saying crazy shit like rejection is awesome, i am looking forward for rejection, i want to get the first rejection and all that crap... If you get rejected you got a forget about it and go back to a cool, calm attitude, but nobody likes rejection and as i said if you are in small lounge,venue,party and you get rejected and women saw it you pretty much fucked.. By the way i get plenty of rejections in the field and on a daily basis, since i do sales, and cold approach pick up...

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this is the reality you create with experience. which is what I mean when I say reality. I believe rejection alone is not awesome, success is where you learn... but both are experiences that affect the way you create your self esteem the "how you look at yourself" reality. If your inner game is very strong/ self esteem is way up then why would you let a club girl affect you? If your self esteem is high, her opinion has no validity if it doesn't fit into your beliefs. If rejection is affecting you it currently affects you a LOT less than it did when you started approaching. You de-sensitize yourself to it after so many times.


edit: Also I'm not saying selfhelp books aren't useful, I'm saying they have a minor impact on your character. What has more impact on your character, approaching 20 women or reading a selfhelp book? Learning through literature is social learning. you won't TRULY believe what you read out of a book without actually first hand experiencing it. 1st hand experience is more powerful than social learning. Reading that your awesome is great going out and trying to do it is better even if you fail.

Dude, everything you say is your opinion, nobody said to read a book and you will be awesome and have strong inner game, you can read a book instead of watching tv for example and go out on the field, nobody is advising to read a book and all your problems will be solve, why one has to be exclusive of the other... thanks for your contribution! Approaching 20 women having and impact on your character is pathetic imo... But what do i know...

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Pleasure,

All people are different, one book that is appealing to me or speaks to me may not do that for you. For you to say "I have found that inner game comes with experience in the field and very little from other sources. " Inner game has nothing to do with the field, inner game has nothing to do with PUA. You are very mistaken if you think gaining confidence approaching women is gaining confidence. Confidence is about how you feel about your self, not about how you feel about a situation. Being confident in your abilities to walk isn't being confident.

Confidence is undoubtedly gained from some experience but confidence or "inner game" is not gained by just experiences. Confidence is about self-love, self-certainty, self-assurance, etc. You do not gain self-certainty or self-assurance from just experience, but you really gain confidence from KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT AND GOING AFTER IT! I'm not talking about a few fly dames, I'm talking about your LIFE DIRECTION.

There are optimists and pessimists, they see a very similar situation and have a completely different perception. For you to say that someone will not remember the 19 rejections but the one 9 is a broad statement that holds very little value with so many humans motivated for different reasons. One personality theory deals with Four core motivators: Keep the Peace, Relationships, Power, or Fun. So one person may remember how fun fucking was, they other may remember how much 2 of the rejections out of 19 hurt.

Your description of "inner game" is outer game, it is the shell of you not the inner you. Attractive behaviors aren't confidence which makes them outer game.

Skills,

The Ego is about caring what other people believe about you. Someone with True Core Confidence doesn't give a fuck about what people think about them, they hold their own value in their mind and NO ONE else effects it.

I understand your point about rejection but I'd also like to say these guys do need to admit to themselves that they will get rejected and that they should accept it. I do not think that they should take a look at it from the stand point of oh you have to hear no that is completely false but they should realize fuck you have to fail to succeed like any great success.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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