Lately I've been seeing a lot of questions on the forum dealing with how to approach ladies in specific locations, whether that means a house party, a busy club or on the street. The problem with these questions is that they are all underpinned by the implication that your 'game' should be altered or adapted to the environment in which the pickup is to transpire; and, that if you fail, that failure can be attributed to not knowing how to pick up girls in whatever place you happened to be at rather than a general lack of skill.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.

The reality of the situation is that the setting for a potential pickup is no more important than what brand of deodorant you're wearing or whether you remembered to take the trash out before you left the house.

Why? Because in its purest form, game is little more than unapologetic self-expression, and who you are as an individual doesn't change just because you are in a different location.

Does a man who practices Zen Buddhism when he's walking down the street suddenly convert to Christianity while in a club? Do women who despise cats find themselves overwhelmed by the need to adopt a kitten just because they happen to be in a grocery store?

The above scenarios are, of course, preposterous, but they represent exactly the kind of logic presumed by would-be ladies' men who think they have to somehow alter their game because their environment has changed.

It's ridiculous, and it's time someone pointed out a simple truth: no matter where you are, you are still you, and she is still her.

Are there exceptions to the rule? Sure. Just like any other generality used to help explain the art of seduction, there are undoubtedly circumstances where what I've said here will prove untrue and your attempts at wooing the opposite sex will be hindered by your location.

But as long as you aren't trying to lay the mack down in a war zone or a poverty-stricken third world country, it's a safe bet to continue doing whatever you would do normally, and quit worrying about how being on a bus as opposed to on an airplane is likely to affect her psyche.

The truth is, it probably isn't, and even if it did, it wouldn't matter anyway.

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The post would make more sense, and it would be much easier to read, without the straw man scenarios and the argumentum ad absurdum.

Sure "you are still you" and she is still her, but if you both are on a New York subway you better at least find out where she gets off the train or you'll miss the opportunity for a number close. That implies adjusting your game to the situation, which of course includes the LOCATION. Likewise, if you are with friends on a weekend-long camping trip you'd have much more time to get the girl's number, but if you did it in the first 90 seconds there it would seem needy, even if "you are still you." In that case (and in that location), you made a mistake by going for the number so quickly. You'd also make the mistake of going for the number in the first 90 seconds (like you would have to do on the NY subway because otherwise you would never see her again), when in the camping scenario where you will see her all weekend, you could get a whole lot more than just a number close.

It sounds like you are attempting to formulate an inner game vs. routine argument, but it's so poorly structured it is hard to tell what the intent is. Stop with the excessive hyperbole and just stick with the basics, because you are obfuscating your entire premise.

Location is relevant, because it influences the tools you use and their effectiveness. Not every tool will be exactly as effective in one situation as it is in another, and to agree with that means admitting that location is relevant. A neg might be necessary to level the playing field of a super-hot HB in a nightclub with her bitch-shields operating at full force, but it would be a disaster to neg a cute girl in a coffee shop who has given you IOIs and who walks up to you and opens a set on you by saying how cute she thinks you are. Such a thing would crush her and make her hate you.

A PUA doesn't act 100% the same way in every situation, that is the sign of a jerk/douchebag/idiot/rude/inconsiderate person. A true PUA adapts to maximize a positive situation in each setting, and every situation is different (including the location).

If location isn't relevant, go ahead and try to pick up a female at her beloved father's funeral, at her bankruptcy hearing, or when her kid is in the hospital's intensive care unit. Location is irrelevant, right? Then those situations/locations shouldn't matter, but we all know they do.

Location is relevant.

Quote for truth. I agree with your entire post, but this in particular stands out for me the most.

Even something as simple as the bus vs airplane example would garner a completely different approach and style of game based on time and the targets present state of mind. ( bus girl: may of just got off work, not feeling social low energy doesn't feel pretty.//Plane girl: excited to vacation, high energy more social)

If the target is just about to get off of the bus, your approach will most likely have to be more direct or at least well timed. If you are on a 5 hr plane ride filled with vacation loving enthusiasts, it's safe to say the two targets will have very different mindsets.

Two different mindsets, two different styles of game. Same you, same girls. Different environments.

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This statement points out the primary difference between people who think the goal of pickup is to maximize success with the broadest possible coalition of women and those who want to use pickup to meet women they actually like. I have always looked at game as a filter I can use to weed out women whose personalities aren't compatible with mine and invite those who are to get to know me a little better.

For that reason, all my 'game' really amounts to is, as I mentioned in the original post, unapologetic self-expression, meaning that regardless of where I am, I am always going to be 870, and I'm going to do it unabashedly.

It seems to me that a lot of aspiring PUAs don't have any identity outside the confines of being a PUA, which means that they constantly have to alter their behavior in hopes of increasing the chances that whatever girl happens to find herself the object of their affection for that particular night will find said ladies' man attractive. This is fine if you plan on spending only enough time with a woman to sleep with her, but if you want to move the interaction past that point, I can assure you that no matter how imperceptive a woman you pick up, she is eventually going to see the psuedo-personality you constructed to seduce her with as the facade that it is.

If you are one of these guys, sure, location matters. Everything matters. But why do that when you can simply BE YOU and find yourself surrounded by women who are not only beautiful, but who share your interests, ideals, attitudes and beliefs? This seems like such an easy choice, I'm having a hard time believing anybody would be opposed to it.

That said, it's also worth pointing out that your location doesn't necessarily define your situation. I don't think even the least skilled newbie on this forum would consider trying to pick a girl up at, to use your example, her father's funeral, and that holds true regardless of whether the services were being held in a church or on a sunny beach. It's not the location that matters, but the emotional undercurrent or 'vibe' of the situation.

The same goes for a woman whose child is in the hospital. It doesn't matter if you meet her in the waiting room, the parking lot, or even across the street at a wifi cafe, your attempts at seduction are going to be altered not by your location, but by the circumstances in her life that are affecting her emotional state.

But of course, there's no way you can know that without talking to her. And when you do talk to her, there's no reason not to be yourself.

Your boy,
870

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This is after all a pick up and seduction forum is it not? I wasn't aware you were referring to finding a soul mate. On that note! Quite a few of my serious relationships started with a seduction and a general pick up.

I think you may have the wrong impression of a general pick up artist. Just because someone uses different tactics within specific environments, doesn't mean that are douche bags pulling the wool over the targets eyes, or a "FACADE" of who they really are.

In fact the more genuine you are as the seducer, the more successful you are. The fact that you made such brash comments, shows that you may have somewhat of a disdain for the average pick up artist.

I see no reason for a man to change his core values just to use a different technique. The fact of that matter is, if you don't secure a second conversation, or another encounter, how could you as a potential mate even get to the point where any type of connection is built to pursue a lasting relationship.

There may be many reasons for people to learn the art of seduction and pick up. Some may be looking to find that one special girl, some may want to have sex with a 1000 women. Neither makes the man's character better or worse.

Character comes from within and is developed throughout a man's existence.

I find it odd to see you're avatar suggesting you are a "retired playboy" Yet you show disdain in others that are doing the same thing now.

I am certain you hold your own character in high regard. Perhaps you should not be so quick to judge others character based on their desires.

Not all men want a girlfriend, wife or a relationship for that matter. This does not sum up who they are as people.

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Whats the purpose of debate?

You all used "preposterous" examples to make you're point; when intelligent people come together to debate, they all bring analogies and prime examples to make there points. No one really ever convinces the other that he or she is right so at the end, its just a bunch of wasted time and space

If you're out there are experiencing a lot of success and are happy with what the amount of success you are receiving then I don't think it matters. 870 was simple giving a word to guys that are a bit less experienced and facing confusion with pick, his method can work just as effectively as any of you guys method, i don't see why the debate is necessary

Besides, "You catch more bee's with honey than with vinegar"

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I think a true pick up artist should not change the core of who he is, but different environments call for a different set of adaptation to the game... For example in online game: subject: can i get your opinion on something...

Subject: me and my friend are having an argument, who do you think lies more girls or guys?

By the way i notice in your profile that is says under profession a "model" is that a hand model? If a dude has succesfully open and use this on his street game it does not translate in online game...

Example 2: if you are in a loud ass club and a super hot ass girl is on the dancefloor with a group of friend, are you gone go " hey ladies can i get your opinon on something" that shit won't work...You need to adapt your game to the environment...
Disagree...
Read the previous examples i gave, i would bet any amount of money, that i would have more success at a club than Adamtaste, or jsmooth, and i would bet any amount of money that they would both have more success than me in online game...
Yes but what system and technique will be more EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT, to show her that you, and for you to scree her...
This whole threat make no sense to me, no offense...A seducer, natural, player whatever you call it has to adapt, and change like a Camaleon to his environment while maintaining the core of who he is... Game, tips, techniques etc... In my opinion is stuff that have been tried and tried and tried over and over and over again, and will increase the PROBABILITY, of success in a particular scenario...

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What I wrote applies to every kind of relationship, including fuck buddies, friends with benefits and even regular, platonic friends. You cannot behave in a way that doesn't align with your core values and maintain any kind of long term contact with someone without them eventually seeing through it.

I don't disdain anyone who honestly and openly pursues what they want - including endless marathons of one night stands. That I personally found that kind of lifestyle wholly unfulfilling has nothing to do with the advice I've offered here, which applies to anybody who plans on keeping a person in their life for a length of time, nature of the relationship notwithstanding.

What I do dislike is the notion that using Tactic X as opposed to Tactic Y in Situation Z serves as a suitable replacement for integrity and genuine personality.

It doesn't, which was the point of my whole post.

Your boy,
870

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