i just saw this video of these 2 trying to give advice against the PUA community when they obviously havent read one sentence of any material out there. i just figured there would be a few guys on here that would love to rip these 2 a new one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hl00Sdl1Uk

lol...it's a woman and some afc...seriously...why would anyone listen to them?

Plus, from the 10 secs that I watched it sounds like they're bringing up the issues about people who don't have inner game and use canned shit or people who are not working to be naturals.

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lmao i second that

30 seconds, that is all it took for me to make enuff observations to wrtie the rant you are about to read....(im gonna try and censor myself as much as possible)

First off take note that they are f'in looking at the floor half the f'in time! You know what that tells me, they are not confident people, more over they may not fully beleive what they are saying.

Secondly, the obviously know nothing about us (THE PUA community). They are close minded, middle american, selfish, introverted, midly retarded people...They have to be in their 40's and they are probably religious zealots. I dont wana go religion bashing because thats not what this is about, but let me point out that they are probably all about abstinence til marrigae, which is fine...their choice. But dont have the adacity to tell me how to live life because your content with being the way you are. I dont tell you how rediculous your veiws are!

As if it wasnt bad enuff that these 2 socailly lame people are spouting and crying over a community of people who for the most part are here to enrich their lives and those of the people around them...they dont even know wtf they are talking about!

If your gonna bash on someone f'ing know what your talking about. It's not my fault that the dude probably spent his whole life sexually frustrated, and the women probably was the fat chick with a hot friend.

This is amazing, these ignorant people rant about how PUA teaches people to lie and cheat and be deceptive...Wake the F up...it teaches us how to be better people, not like the people in that video who cant even look each other in the eyes...

So basically what they are trying to tell people is be content with hateing social interaction, be content not likeing yourself...its ok to feel anxeity while just having plain conversation...And no you shouldnt try to improve on your character, dont try to be a better person then you are...we arent, so you shouldnt either...


The sum of that whole video equates to, "You are stronger people then the 2 of us, and we dont like it boo f'in who..."

Seriously they are the types of people that make me an advocate of licensing the right to bring children into the world and at the same time make me think about how much i would like to see retroactive abortion.

my message to them is STFU, educate yourselves you dumb ignorant trash, and stop hateing people just because they are different then you.


....my rant is done, sorry for...aw screw it im not sorry.

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Growth . . . lol

lmao @ this video.

Anyone else get the feeling like maybe that guy has read some of that "seduction stuff" himself, failed miserably at it, and is trying to hide it from his somewhat snobby wife?? He was looking at the ground nervously half the time!

Maybe I'm imagining it... but it almost seems like, based on their body language and other subtleties, that this whole video was the woman's idea and the man isn't really into it but is going along anyway. Look at her facial expressions!! It looks like she's checking to make sure he is saying everything exactly the way she wanted him to!

edit: Hm. Perhaps not, I watched the other videos and I think it's simply that the guy is a straight up AFC.

i honestly cant belive these people would give advice like this. basically what theyre saying is its not ok for people to change for the better.

in their minds, if ur a lonley guy who cant get a date then u will always be that lonley guy because being the fun witty guy that everyone likes isnt "being yourself."

this is the worst advice ive ever heard from anyone, as a matter of fact this is a prime example of what not to do.

I bet that chick, got picked up by Mystery and fell in love, then got shut down so she's butthurt.

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HAHAHA these two make me laugh, and also make me angry.

Not angry because they have a problem with the "Seduction Community" but angry because they OBVIOUSLY have no knowledge of the Pick Up Arts...and think that gives them the right to use words like "Lies" "Tricks" and "Deception".

Sounds like the only thing they've even read about, on a "Scratching the surface" level, is NLP. That's the only thing I can think of that would cause them to blather on about "Hypnosis" and "Lies/deception"

I've got two quotes for these two:

"Always leave her better than you found her." - ROSS JEFFRIES

and

"They were right when they told you to 'Just be yourself' they just never told you what self to be." - GUNWITCH

Granted, I respect their decisions and choices for their own lives...but talking down to people who practice the Pick Up Arts when they clearly know nothing about it is infuriating mostly because of how ignorant these two are.

On that note, I loved their awful body language as Ka stated earlier. Ha.

End of Rant.

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the guy never looks at the camera. how can i take him seriously? also, he assumes this stuff is just about approaching women problems. thats not my problem. i can approach women all day even when i was rAFC. the problem is i was stuck in the friends zone every time. these guys are a joke

Why would you guys be intimidated or insulted by what these people are saying?

Obviously there's a difference between successfully picking up women and having successful relationships with them.

Ok, so why should that bother you?

One difference, you can't have a relationship without a pick up, opening, etc..

And I agree with some of what they are saying. The pick up community has its share of bad apples as well. Those just trying to make a buck anyway they can. Maybe these people fall into that category, who can say for sure at this point? Nobody.

So why are we discussing this again? These people have the right to share their opinion and promote their product/system on 'you tube' like everybody else does.

Now if they were on this forum bashing us personally, or promoting their product, etc.. then I might have a problem with it.

I hope we have better things to talk about than this. Like picking up women, etc..

Our theories, behavior and conduct should stand on its own merit without a rabid dog mentality every time somebody questions what we do. People are free to disagree respectfully, and offer an alternative. And apparently this is what these two people are doing.

Without dissenting views, and alternatives there is no progress.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ufa-q7DcWM

I hate to say it but there is one piece of advice worth listening to from this video: Don't pretend to be someone else, be yourself! Of course these two are such idiots that they don't realize the whole point of the PUA is to become a better you. We are not looking at creating social robots like they are talking about.

The sec the vid started I had a funny picture of the 2 in bed that resembled cleveland and loretta's ''love scene'' from family guy. She is most likely the dominant one in the relationship BY A LONG SHOT! He reminds me of either a very wussy guy or somebody who is on the edge of killing people. can't say more, after 10 sec I decided that it was a whaste of my time and hit [x]

They're not even looking at the camera, how can they be confident in the advice they're giving?

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