I have an interesting dilemma guys, and i am just looking for a bit of insight.

OK so I have two close guy friends, we all go out together, we all kick it, we all talk. I would never try to cock block or one up them, and the sentiment is always reciprocated.

They both are well aware of the PUA community and occasionally they will ask me my opinion on certain situations but for all intents and purposes these guys are serious naturals and they are both maintaining 2 girls each. Me: zero.

Now this is by no fault of my own, I've been out there with them, gotten my fair share of women when we're out, I've read The Game and The Mystery Method, and I am actually BETTER at approaching and opening sets, but their social prowess and good looks always seem to hinder my progress.

See the interesting thing in most situations is the social dynamic. I am the Alpha. both come to me for advice, both ask me where we should go. I call the shots, 100% of the time, yet they leave with the women.

I work on what I lack, I work out 5 times a week, I maintain a good job and I am always working to better my own career. I go out, I am social, I have friends, but when pitted against those two, I feel sometimes like I have no chance.

How do you combat such a force without AMOGing your buddies? How can I get the girls who i want to look my way instead of theirs without cock blocking?

anything is appreciated.

One aspect of an Alpha male is that they have girls. It all comes down to acting on what you know. The easiest part of learning how to seduce women is to read about it and think that you know every step without doing it.

It's like if you go play tennis and you read everything about it before you play, your gonna still suck your first time. Just go out there and don't worry about having to cb your friends, if you still think you can't approach first, once they have their own set go and find your own. And if you need a wingman ask one of your friends, I bet they will help out. If you get put down easily, go to the next one and things will start coming along.

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“Love is three quarters curiosity.”
-Casanova

You might be coming off as "the mastermind" of the group. You arrange things, you're "the man with the plan". Funny thing is, that guy never gets the action. Why, is the question. That guy is usually above everything, looking, watching, keeping his eyes open and observing. Even if you are in a conversation with someone, they can feel where your focus is, whether it is fully on them, or on keeping everything around you running smoothly. So, if this is you, then what you need to do, is get down to their level more. A very vague concept I know, but that's the best I can explain it.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

IMO, you are not the true alpha of your group. Its not always the things you say or do. Girls will read your body language, your body language with your buddies, and decide in a heartbeat who they think the guy to be with is.

I would try working on the more subtle aspects of your game, also look at your friends and decide what things they are doing right and what things they do wrong. Use them as examples to model yourself after, using both their good and bad examples to either emulate or remove from your image.

Also, in your circumstances you have provided a natural with our tools. A natural trained in PUA imo would obtain better results more quickly then a PUA who is not a natural. Its not to say that in the long term you could not out do them as far as the overall aspects of your game.

IMO when i go out with them i would go into more of an observational mode, dunt offer them advice and see what they do on their own. After you think you are upto par on them just make sure you are larger then life, hold the frame in your sets over them, and you should get better results.

Lastly, if you cannot correct this dilema then i simply woul sarge without them.

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-Ka-
"Be the same, only better."

I feel equal with my friends, but in all honestly i have my strengths and weaknesses just like my friends do. It sounds like you aren't being honest with yourself.
I am also really good at opening and getting conversations started, but one of my best friends will come over and steal the thunder. I'm good at opening, he's great at closing in other words. We've known this even before we read the book. I feel we are both on the same level of attractiveness (I dont' know he's a dude) except for maybe his teeth are a little straighter than mine but I dont see that holding me back as much as it has been.
So anyways, It sounds like you have DHV problems like I do. This is just an insight based off nothing other than the fact that you said you are good at opening and so am I.

It's really important to be honest with yourself when you are making self improvements, otherwise you are only going to hold yourself back.