There's this girl I dated for a month in true AFC fashion, just before I really got into PUA, that I think I may be in the friend zone with, but I really want to push things further with her. Do I have any chance here?

She's introverted, we dated for a month, I fucked it up b/c I didn't even kiss her, b/c I didn't want to scare her off. and one time after like a month I tried to make an advance and she freaked out, saying I was acting like a totally different person. We kinda backed off from each other after talking it over, that she says she has intimacy issues and "puts up a wall", etc.

I had just as soon accepted it as "over" then one night her friend texted me that they were all getting together at a certain bar and I should come. I didn't give her friend my number and had never talked to her on the phone. The girl then made efforts to talk to me at the bar, I had just started reading The Game at that point and acted disinterested, like I didn't care.

Two things happened that I took as a "dis". One was when I asked how she new this guy they introduced me to, her and her friend told me that they dated. (as in the girl I had dated)

Earlier that day she had asked me for a girl's phone number. This concerned me b/c I told the girl I was dating at one time, bad stuff about this girl. I asked her at the bar why she needed her number, and she said "I needed to talk to her about something."

At that point, without even having gotten to the "Freeze Out" method in the book, I initiated a natural freeze-out, telling her "You know, I'm gonna just hit the road." I'll seeya. She kinda smiled like she didn't know what to say. I put my empty glass on the bar, shook her friend's hand, told the girl who texted me I was leaving, she looked shocked, like "Why???", and I just walked out and went home.

The girl I had dated called me at 2:00am, but I was on Ambien by then. I didn't call back. The next afternoon at 4:00pm, she called again, no msg again, I said "Fuck her" and didn't answer. I figured that's how you do a freeze-out, right?

Some things to keep in mind about this:

When I referred back to her calling me like that she had said "yeah I called a couple times", I played it off as away from my phone, etc.

Later I observed to her that she went back and forth alot, from calling me at 2:00 am to being quiet, and she said "Yeah well I like hanging out as friends."

The last time we were hanging out before things got wierd, one of her firends said to her "You need to get laid!!!!" and she whispered something to her. The girl I was dating turned and looked at me, and didn't say anything, just looked unsure.

Any idea on what kinda girl I'm dealing with, and/or what the best approach would be to get things moving again?

I like the way we related, there could def. be something here. She was really appreciative of me and my personality and always wanted to spend time w/ me, it's just that one day she just got quiet and wierd.

I spent all last weekend in clubs with superficial self-involved little cunts and I might not find what I'm looking for there, that's why I want to explore this further it possible.

Any takes on this?

I'm not clear on which girls was which, personally. If it was one day that she acted weird, then don't worry about it. If she's always like that, maybe you need to move on.

Yeah, the details can get confusing, but I guess they're not really important.

The big things I was I guess looking for some other angles on were

1. Got wierd/quiet all of a sudden
2. Once I had written it off, she gives my number to her friend to call me and meet htem at a bar, where they all are. She then tries to start talking to me.
3. Applying quickly learned principles in The Game, and saw even more interest, My freezing her out, and taking it pretty far (always unsure of when is too much) by not answering her calls/calling her back
4. She's been quiet and hard to do stuff with since. She'll talk to me, and act playful, etc, but doesn't call me anymore. I saw her out one day last weekend and she tried to talk to me.

Have any of you brought a girl back from this point? I mean I've got some time invested in this already and it makes sense to see if I can take it over the edge, before starting from scratch, even though that might be the option.

Some women are broken dude.

It's not your fault, but some women are just broken, in this case I would say just walk away.

I have always had a hard time with the introverted girls, but one thing to keep in mind is, these girls are extremely sensitive and emotionally fragile, no matter how hot she is, or how fun she appears to be, trust me I've known my fair share.


My advice would be this:


It seems to me that you were in the friend zone to begin with.

If you truly want to try and get this girl then back off, regroup, find yourself, and hit her up in a couple months, show her you are a different cooler person, be nice to her (but not too nice). Show her some fun, take her out have a good time laugh ( but don't be an AFC about it).

Be confident, Be quick, Be clever, be smart, and be funny!

-THe Chef,

PS. like i said she seems to have so pretty low self esteem, so I would advise against freeze outs or negs.