Heres an advanced question chief, is it wrong to have nearly cried with laughter at Killians comment?

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Note to self: Reffering to Chief by something other than his name has the knock on effect of strolling into the chat room and being asked; 'Crumpetberry are you a single hippie looking for a man'

LMAO!!!
Good lordy. I laughed my ass off too, so even if it's wrong, we all know it feels so right.
So Killians' got a sense of humor. That's one of three. Two more to go lol

DON'T SCREW YOUR COUSIN, B!!!

I have lately been giving a thought on how to recognise a legitimate flake reason.

So I called a girl to set up a meeting. I had gamed her well before.

Now she picks up:

Me: Hey *her name*, I have an idea!
HB: Hey, well what is it..?
Me: Oh don't you worry about that Meet me infront of my house today at five o'clock.
HB: I can't.
Me: And grab some money with you because we are going to visit this video rental place nearby.
HB: I can't because I have to clean up my house.
Me: Okay, well not then. I'm really busy at the moment so I can't chat much longer now.
*Blahblahblah*

Now I know this HB will have somekind of familyparty the next day so it could be a legitimate reason. But I really doubt that someone would clean up that early!

Any advice on recognising legitimate flake reasons and such?

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Tbh, if its only one flake let it go. Wait about a week or w/e and then just try again. My rule is 3 flakes and its out..... after that stop making an effort to arrange stuff, if they were ligit busy those 3 times then she will come find you to do something.

That wasn't my question. I appreciate your advice.

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Ah sorry mate, i didnt read ur last sentance properly
How to spot fake reasons tho, For a start i think her reason for this flake is probably real. If you know she has a family thing the next day then all it takes is grumpy family and hell, i would start cleaning up a week early to avoide the complaints As for in general, i dont know like i said i give em 3 chances..... its saves being paronide about if they are lying to you or what ever.
/madals
p.s. sorry for answering chief i'll shut up now

I know she haves them because she has invited me to them... So basically she told me a good reason to not come out, and right after that asked at which time will I show up at her party .

Okay, I get that this one was a legitimate reason now. But it still kind of confuses me that a girl refuses to come out because she wants to clean up her house? Even when she could do it later. A mystery.

I would appreciate if chief or someone would shed some light on the situation.

For those who think that this is over-analyzing: This post is because there have been situations like this before, "the girl has to do some boring unneeded stuff".

If I could see the women psychology behind this, it would help me a great deal !

UPDATE: Would it be possible for a girl to be nervous about meeting you up and then find a logical reason for herself to flake?

Before I called the girl, I texted her something like this:

Me: Aww... You are nervous...
HB: What.. Its all normal!
Me: Call me
*She calls me after somewhat 15 minutes*

You can read the phonechat from my previous post in this thread.

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Stetson, a flake is a flake is a flake is a flake. No matter what the reason, whether legitimate or not, if she flaked out on you, she flaked out on you.

In HER mind, if she flakes out on you (for a good reason or not), you get pigeonholed as "one of those guys she flaked out on" in her mind. Then it becomes OK for her to flake out on you again and again because you now have that label. You're fucked either way.

I'm currently taking a weekend boot camp right now with Daniel Becerra (formerly known as Romeo) and Nick Krygier of PUALifestyle.com. Yesterday, Daniel had something pretty interesting to say about flakes.

Essentially, he said that you have to have high value without giving it all away to prevent flakes. This is how you create that intrigue that leaves her wanting more, for her to want to "figure you out." Apparently JUST being alpha over the phone and expecting her to just come to you is poor phone game. You must create tension, mystery, intrigue.

Hey chief, normally I prefer to give advice and answer questions but I'm taking this next fortnight off from helping, simply to tighten up my game. Here goes...

1. I often don't bother closing becuase I get mixed signals example: Smiling, strong eye contact but arms folded and legs crossed one pointing away. Which do I take into consideration the IOI or the IOD? Or do I just ignore it in that case take the calibration as innacurate and go with the flow to just close?

2. Now during day game the conversation usually has too keep rolling as people are out on the streets and have things to do and an agenda to fullfill. So on a day 1 type encounter is having the girl contribute a 50-50 mix to the conversation a must or just a little thing that sometimes happens, or is this possibly linked to the comfort/attraction ratio? In either case can you succesfuly run a high standard pick when you're doing 90% of the talking?

Might have some otherones later but thats all for now.. ..cheers

When i`m on a vacation on the seaside there are alot of hot girls but there is a problem, half of them is walking, or on the beach with their families,dad, mom little brother,sister.
I find it inconvenient to approach while shes with her family, is there any way of approaching her yet not driving the attention of her whole family or getting beaten up by her dad?

This is when mirroring will come in handy. Mirror her body language and match her state until you guys are matching in rhythms, then take over and slightly change things around so that she subconsciously mirrors you. Pace and lead slowly until both of you have completely open body language. You'll be doing this under the radar while you two are talking about something interesting, of course.

If her IOIs were genuine, she'll be more than happy (subconsciously) to follow your pacing and leading. Then you can be more confident in her IOIs and kino escalate to close.

Another thing you can do is simply test for compliance. If you can get her to jump through progressively larger hoops, you shouldn't have a problem escalating to a close.
Your Day Game targets are generally going to be low-energy, right? Even though they have an agenda to fulfill, they're going to be relatively laid back and relaxed, sipping on their fancy Starbucks drink and looking at the latest Cosmo. They'll be completely willing to sacrifice some time for an interrupt in their day agenda unless they're antisocial or they're doing something important that demands their immediate attention.

With this sort of scenario, conversation should be a lot closer to 50/50 because that's what people in this laid back and relaxed state are comfortable with. It's casual. Women are comfortable with that 90/10 ratio in the nightclub when there's stimulation everywhere to ramp up her state and excitement.

During the day, I'm sure you've been approached by people giving out pamphlets for something, collecting donations, advertising stuff, etc. What's the conversational ratio there? They are basically doing 90% of the talking, while you are left with that discomforting 10%. It doesn't feel right, and it certainly doesn't feel like they care about you.

Keep it calmer for Day Game.

You can either wait until she's separated from the herd to talk to her, or you can make things a little more interesting by talking to the biggest obstacle first (the dad) and winning him over without talking to the daughter. Then you can ease yourself in to getting to know the entire family and offering them a good time at the beach by giving value. Once you do that, number-closing should be a breeze. Don't take it any further than that in front of her dad, though.

If you see an attractive girl with just her mom, fucking go for it, dude. Obstacles that are mothers (I call them momstacles) are easy to win over. And once you do win them over, they help you get with their daughters. I've had mothers give me their daughters' numbers. In fact, showing some interest to a momstacle's daughter is like telling her "Wow, YOU once looked like that? I find your genes very attractive," and is essentially a compliment to her.

Hey chief, mirroring worked quite well, I was capable of opening up body launguage by leading. Also I started relaxing things a bit more and I found that given space to talk HB's were contributing a lot more to the encounter.

Still I think I've got AFC reversion syndrome from being in a LTR and not sarging/socialising enough with new people etc.

Two new questions,

1. How strong is the importance of qualification in building comfort and can qualification be expressed through IOI's or does it have to be vocalised about the targets.

2. Any specefic attraction pumping kino routines that could be done within the first couple of minutes of meeting a target? I'm looking for something that can pump attraction and score me kino, today I got flashed loads of IOI's but many HB's even so, we're quite willing or seemed to be looking now and again for a cue to leave.

Cheers. going sarging again tommorrow and hope to implement any advice you give me.

Are you talking about giving SOIs or getting her to qualify to you? Both are pretty important for having "solid game."
THE CLAW
Refer to RSD for more on the claw

Otherwise, just stick to smooth kino escalation and their attraction will be backwards rationalized the further you escalate.

I'm was talking about giving her SOI's, but thanks!

I have no idea what RSD is, but I'm just guessing "the claw" refers to going in the middle of a set.

"OH GOD IT'S BACK... IT'S... THE.... THE.... THE... CLAW!! RAAAGHHH!!"

*kino and hilarity ensues*