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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:07 pm 
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Hey Adam, I've got a real problem. I have fallen in love with a girl who I consider my best friend. This girl has invested time and energy into me beyond the call of duty and I don't know why... I really think she sees me as "just a friend" and so I've been trying to get out of the "friendzone", so I'm on this 2 week freeze out from her and I guess my point is that late Sunday night, she called me up and asked me to come over; that she was depressed. I said no, due to the "freeze out", but I feel bad about it and I feel like I owed it to her to go over. I'm a week in but I really do miss her to the point I'm almost ready to cut this shit out and just call her. Any advice? Should I stick this out or go about it a different way?? Thanks -Constantine

Hey Constantine,


This is tough without knowing the whole situation. The best way to break out of the friend zone is to break rapport with her. The longer and deeper the friendship is means that the break has to be more severe. Actually coming out with it and laying down your intentions would serve as a big break and will get your point across.



One thing to keep in mind when trying to turn a friend into more than a friend is that you might lose her as a friend. You have to be aware of that beforehand and be willing to lose her. If she does decide that she is into you also then it is win-win but it might not turn out that way so be advised.


Freezing out is something I would not recommend doing. Ignoring a girl for 2 weeks won't all of a sudden make her want to sleep with you or be your boyfriend.

Hope this helps mate!



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Hey Adam,

I was thinking about introducing one of my best friends to the world of pick-up because I could really use a wing in-field. What do you think about this and what do you think the best way to go about this is? I have heard of bad reactions to telling people about pick up, and I don't want this to happen to me.

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Hey Suckaweed,


I responded to a similar question a few threads back so I have copy/pasted it for you here:


The best way to go about telling your parents, familly or friends that you are interested in pick up is making sure you put it across as normal as possible. If you tell your mum or best friend that you want to learn how to pick up chicks and pull as many as you can then there might be a problem. If you instead say that you plan on being more sociable, that you're interested in attraction, meeting new people, and want to grow your social circle so that you can meet women easier then it isn't creepy and is socially acceptable.


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Dear Adam,

(skip to bold if you don't want to skip to the point)

I've been going out with a few of my mates to "sarge". I really dislike that term but thats what the call it and there are more of them.

I generally like to see my days with them that I "sarge" as days I hang out with buddies, and if I happen to see a cute chicka, I go talk to her. Anyways thats beside the point.

When we do go out it will happen that none of us talk to anyone at all. But when I am alone I will talk to girls that I consider cute.

What is going on?

I generally like to use direct openers or compliment openers (thats a cool bracelet! or I think you look really cute) on cold sets, and indirect on warm sets.

I've never gotten a poor response out of either of my methods, and I usually hook. I'm not afraid of opening, I'm really not. I don't have that fear gripping my heart.

Why cant I open when I'm with my mates, but I can when I'm alone?

They all practice pickup (in case you skipped down)

Cheers

P.S. What character were you in D&D?

Hey MrBobz,

Not opening with your mates is your choice! it is because you feel like you would be judged or look bad in front of your friends. There is nothing that can be done to fix that besides just doing it and practicing.


So go out there... and practice! If solo sarging is better for you then that is fine too.



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Hey man. How've you been? Hope everything is going good.
First things first, thank you for the time and effort. I should give you a hug man! Here's a cyber-hug. :D

First things second, hah. I actually wanted to write a new post about this, but since my post count isnt 50 yet, I couldnt. So i thought that until I reach that number, I would discuss it with you.
I've always thought that being nice can't be what turns women off. I actually have this friend that girl's around him love, and guys befriend him within minutes. He's a good guy. And he is what "we" label as a "nice guy". For the record (in case this makes any difference), he is very good looking, but thats not it.
This guy always puzzled me. There's just something about him that makes his interaction with other people so smooth. Charisma :?:
He used to give me some advice on how to act around women. I once asked him about how is he so good with women, he said: "I just understand them. I understand women".
Now this is great, but it wasnt helpful. I wanted to learn his mental attitude, his mindset about women. Nevertheless.

Anyway Adam, to get to the point, I think there is a fundamental difference that I found between me and him (and pretty much everyone who's good with women). I have a passive aggressive behavior. He doesnt.
(By the way man, this is what may lead to this kind of behavior: "It is thought that this pattern is learned in childhood. It is most likely a response to parents who exercised complete control and did not let their child express themselves. To cope, a child will adopt a passive-aggressive behavior pattern" And this in fact, is what my childhood was like. Boohoo)
Anyways man, its not about being nice or not. Being nice has always been a good thing. Passiveness, isnt.

The hard thing is that most passive aggressive people dont realize that they are. This is actually in the definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_aggression

This may be the first time you hear of it, maybe not. But since I trust your good and wise advice you've always gave us, what's your take on that & how do you think someone that acts this way can stop this behavior?

Loads of Love man,

File


Hey File,

This actually is a really good questions. I am way more interested in the human psychology portion of social interactions rather than the basic questions of how to get over approach anxiety!


I'm going to reference 2 things in this one... The passive aggressive section but firstly the part about your friend understanding women.


Your friend saying he understands women is HUGE and probably 100% true. Being able to actually understand women will drastically improve your game. I noticed a direct increase in my results when I was able to speak to women on their level and understand them. Understanding them is being able to relate to them. Being knowledgeable about females and things that they're into such as pop culture and chick lit/flicks is massive in being able to relate and associate to women.



Now the passive aggressive thing.... It might be something that has been instilled since childhood but it can be changed. Women are submissive by nature so there is no excuse to not be a leader amongst women. You need to be dominant and be leading. Women like men who take charge and make decisions because they don't want to be expected to lead since it is not natural for them.


Practice leading in your everyday life. If you and a friend are talking about going to lunch tell them where you would like to go instead of asking where you should go. You will find that if a decision is made people will follow.



There are a ton of different examples of ways to do this but the key thing to remember is to be a leader and made decisions instead of just allowing others to do it.




Adam


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Dear AFC Adam,

if the girl says im childish or i act like a child, how should i respond?
saying me childish is like a shit test or a neg... what should i say to neg her back so i that i wont lose my frame?
and how do i say it in a cocky n funny way so that she loses her frame without getting angry?
i really need help on this!

thanks!


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hey Adam sup man hope your having a grand time where ever u at bro!

I was just wondering, i don't really have trouble approaching girls and running a quick question or 'opinion opener' but after i say it, and then just some random bantering the convo dry's and im stuck what to say, so ill open my mouth and say summit like 'so what is the worse thing u hate about guys?' and they will look at me oddly and be like 'that's a bit random inst it'

Do you suggest i write down all the things in my life that i have had a slight success at make them into routines, so i don't run out of things to say with a woman?

Also is there any way to fix what i can only describe as 'reaction seeking' where the girl's seem like im trying to get a reaction off them, even though im NOT acutally trying to do this?

What would u suggest for a guy who is 20 year's old 0 girlfriend in the past, who's been in the game just one year and probably approached 30-35 woman with in 1 year? ( and please dont say go out more, i try so hard but where i live it's very very hard to get out )

I would say i have a fucking crazy potential inside of me, i have improved so much over the last year if i was to stand next to the old me, you would have trouble figuring out what the fuck is going on. i would say iv transformed into some one who realizes what he want's and is working to get there. (i guess just like every other guy on this forum )

thanks

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Hey Adam,

First off I just want to say your dedication to this site and help to everyone is incredible.

So my question is about making actual girl "friends". I seem to have a problem were I can only get girls who want to hang out with me if there interested in me or I'm trying to pick them up. The ones who aren't interested in me and I don't put the moves on always treat me like I'm some guy who wants them and can't have them. I was wondering how you would go about dealing with this?
I also wanted to know how women react (just curious) when they find out your one of the best known pick up artists in the world?
Thanks in advance

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Hey Adam,

Howz it going. I had 2 questions and wanted to run a thought by U. First the thought.

-I've grown up in the company of quite a few women and hence have realized that women communicate on a very diff. level than most men do. They are very indirect and sometimes cant make up their mind (hence men need to lead). Their attraction mechnism also is very different and happens on a sub concious level. E.g. a married woman would be talking to me and wiould be running her hand through her hair, exposing her neck etc etc.. though I know that I would not bed her and she would have to think about whts at stake but the IOIs flow w/o them thinking

Questions:

1) women are more sexual than men are and they like to talk about sex more than we men do, would you agree. If they like you they would very indirectly draw analogies to sex very quickly. such as, if you say I like riding a bike they would snap back like yeah I love to be ridden for hours myself..lol..

2) U and the other MPUAs have lived it all and after going through 100s of women do you have a sense of fulfilment. I mean I am 1/3rd of your level so I'd say I would be some where round 20-30 women. But are u still looking for that special someone. Does having a lot of wome in your life give u the fulfilment that you thought u'd have once U started this Journey.


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Hi

I'm just starting getting into this stuff and improving my social skills in general. I would be really grateful if you could answer a few questions on how to get the ball rolling

The Biggest problem of all is being able to get over the fear of approaching. I know that once this is overcome I'll work hard at improving this area of my life as I do with other areas, but im finding it really hard to build up the courage to approach people. Ive started taking your advice on systematically desensitising myself and for about a week know Ive started to talk to strangers (shopkeepers etc) whenever I can think of something to say, and everyday I make sure I say something to at least one stranger (usually asking directions to a coffee shop or the time).

The trouble is whenever I see a hot girl id like to talk to or a group of cool people id like to get to know I cant think of anything to say, if i ask for the time or something like that i usually cant think of anything to say afterwards. I know there are openers and stuff out there but I dont feel like I have the courage yet, to ask people I dont know about what they think of a completeley made up scenario (that if im honest often seem pretty stupid to me) or question that I dont really care about. Ideally Id like to just go up to a girl or group of people and just introduce myself and start talkng to them, but i really dont feel comftable doing that yet and the few times ive managed to summon up the corrage I ofton havnt been able to think of anything to say and have just been frezed out. Part of my worry about using these scripted oppeners and routines is that when im out im usually out at the local pubs/clubs on the university campus and so it isnt a situation of "youve got nothing to loose, youll probobly never see them again" , so I dont want to earn the reputation of this guy that goes round and asks everyone the same wierd questions. Again I live in a small town so the same would apply to sarging at the few local clubs and pubs there areSo any advice on how to ease myself from where I am now to a point where I can conftably go up and start a conversation (any tips on being able to tink of something to say and get a good conversation natturally flowing?) with a hot girl or a group of people would be great.

Another problem is the fact that i dont have anyone to help or do game with. I think it would be really helpful if I had someone to encourae and push me through the initial steps. Id like to take a bootcamp or a 1on1 but im a student and dont have the money, i have the feeling that if I introduced one of my friends pick up theyd think it was stupid, and Im also worried about people I know being aware that I read up on and want to practice how to get good at interacting with women - i think tere would probobly be a stigma atached to this. Ive tried to find people on the internet to practice with but i live in a fairly small town and havnt been able to find anyone. Any advice on this?

Thirdly I'd appreciate any tips on expanding your social circle. This isnt just for the sake of meeting girls, I want to find the right friends for me aswell as the right girl. Specifically it would be cool to know some pointers on bringing female friends into your social circle when your current social circle is predominantly made up of guys.

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I just spied the very hot shop assistant in my corner shop again, but didn't know how to open her right. Didn't help some older woman was having a good natter with her before she served me.

Throw me a bone Adam! :D

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Dear AFC Adam

I have a chick iv been gaming now for around 2 and a half years(sounds ridiculus I know but it's due to long distance) and over the course of that period iv seen her only three times. I'm a strong believer in the whole scarsity and abundance theory. Recently she was struggling to tell me something on the phone and she was sober. She said age couldn't explain what she wanted to say and said she would fond it easy to tx me...so she did, the tx read something along theblines of "I love you"

I really like this girl but I don't know how to deal with it as I can't say I'm not feeling that deep level of emotions within myself towards her . But she makes me happier than any other chick iv had since learning pua. That's why iv put in these time bridges with her . I'm not gonna just tell her I love her for her reassurance because I believe a girl looses respect for you once they know the games over and they have you exclusivly.

What's your input Adam? your time on Reading this is deeply appreciated thanks

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hey adam whats good!!
I saw your under 21 vid and heard you say that you let people sarge with you if you bring from 5 to 10 women. If your sarging in the ct, ny, ma, area i would totally bring at least 5 hot chicks to sarge and have a good time with my second favorite pua (next to me of course(:) let me know if you will be down and I'll send you my email.

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Hey Adam,
As some of the guys have already mentioned, massive thanks for taking the time out to reply.

I think I may already know the answer to my situation but might as well get a second opinion:

A few months ago I met this girl and we started to hang out 1-3 times a week (always with a group of friends, at a music festival, bbq, clubbing or party). Anyway looking back on it now I realized she's a flirt (always hooking up with a guy at a club, getting approached all the time, it's like the attention boosts her self image, confidence and ego). I could write down stories going into detail of how there were signals and I never had the balls to take advantage, and how most of the time it seemed she was playing me, but i'll skip to the defining moment.

Skipping Minor details, myself, her and a good female friend of ours went to a club, and she ends up with a guy, we leave and she stays, i'm waiting to go home but receive a text asking if im still in the club, I call her (no calling credit) saying im outside, she probably doesn't hear me so I wait out front (club lockout) (probably a shit move), anyway later she comes out holding hands with the guy and they walk off in some direction. I call out after her and they come towards me. The guy doesn't even look at me, but she asks me random questions and then says something like "might see you tomorrow, or the day after" (no idea what she's referring to) I say sometime like "whatever" and I just get up and leave. I realized she left her jacket and bag at the cloakroom and try calling her while walking in the general direction of the club to get water anyway, and she doesn't pick up and when I yell across the street she couldn't hear me, so I ignore her and walk off.

Fast forward to the next day and I did the following:
-wrote on a friends wall saying that it was good he didnt come out since it ended awkwardly for certain people
-Wrote her a fb msg saying
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Hope u got home okay. And Remembered to use protection
she later replied with something like ".................... hope you got home ok too. mm "

Later on msn she quotes what I wrote on my friends wall and 'the discussion' began. She asks if I was angry at her for last night and apologizes for if she was rude in which I reply diplomatically each time with things like "no, as long as you had fun. Everything's fine". Anyway she brings up how she knows i like her and how i've been acting strange since another party where she was with a guy and I apperantly got angry, and she goes on about how she likes me as a friend and she hopes we still can be even though it may be a little bit uncomfortable, and if we're still going to be friends I'll have to accept it. I reply with one sentence/word replies and we end the convo on a "cya in the near future" tone. I later sent her a fb msg saying I was sorry for being a jerk and hope we can still be friends and something like 'cya in a few months (exams are soon anyway, plus I think shes travelling in the holidays. Plus tbh it was kinda awkward) (probably another bad move on my part) and she replies saying its fine and something like 'youre such a drama queen! we'll see each other before that'

Anyway I was at a party tonight where she was also in attendance. I don't think we even looked at each other. When we first met we started off really tight and bonded realllllly well, but then it got really inconsistent (going to her place, me saying i'll go over and her being cool with it and 'changing' dates last minute, inviting me out, ignoring me, etc). Anyway, her birthday is coming up, still contemplating on not going, but the big question is, how long should I ignore her for? Is there even any chance in the future? Also for future reference, How do you handle these 'flirts?'

If you managed to read that all and bother replying... Kudos to you!





Hey pse,


Thanks for the post mate! I can tell you right off the bat that it sounds like you are caring too much about one individual girl. She is obviously not waiting around for you because she is going home with other guys, so all of the investment that you are putting into her isn't being returned.

The best way to have handled this with her would be to essentially go direct when you had your chance. If it worked then it would have worked very well. If not, you won't be any worse off than you are now.

Another huge thing to make note of is to not be reactive. Sending her a message on Facebook saying that you hoped she used protection is showing that you do care about the situation and also making it public. That should never happen!


A combination of being reactive and investing too much all adds up to a bad scenario. Best advice is to keep gaming and move on.



Hope this helps mate.


Adam


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Hey Adam,

So I've been seeing this girl who is a friend of my younger sister for about a month and a half it started off good but the past 3 weeks ive only seen her like once a week for like 2 hours. We had are first talk last saturday when i was kissing her on her bed and she told me that something felt weird cuz i was her friends brother. We then continued talking and I gave her a speech about how it shouldnt matter and not to miss out on stuff and then I ran the cube on her. I felt like she was almost going to LJBF's me but I told her that we should just not put any labels on anything. She also just turn 18 and seems like she doesnt always wanna see me on the weekend nights, we dont really have the same friends. i sent her a text yesterday saying that I wanta see her next weekend and go to the strip club she said yes as long as she isnt going to her cabin, but I dont know I think shes been texting other guys a lot too. Is there anyway I can save this, in the past couple days I've just been staying strong C and F and writing and talking about a bunch of fun stuff and talking to girls on my facebook.
I also made a comment on one of her statuses it wasnt sexual but it just kinda made it evident im seeing her and she removed that status the next day. Do you think I should cut my losses or just try to keep a strong frame and get her to experience my reality?


Hey Hockeyguy118,

Well, this one is a bit tough without really knowing the whole scenario or knowing. The short of the long is that you should try to get more time alone with her more. Since she is your sisters friend it should be easy, but if that doesn't happen then you should cut it cold and get other women in your life. This will help with your abundance and since you aren't chasing her she will probably get jealous.


Hope this helps!


Adam,


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Great stuff. I've got a date set up after my exams next week. I'm just gonna tease her, then do a k-close routine. Hopefully I'll finish things.

I've got a new question. It involves text game. I'm pretty terrible at texting. I hardly send texts on my phone but I figure I need to get a good thing going with it. I don't know where to start and there all kinds of different methods on all the forums. Is there a consistent structure I can follow?

Hey Kentheman,

We do have a structured method that we teach on our bootcamps. It breaks down text game and what to do to guarantee a response every time.

The short version of it is to make sure you don't close the thread of conversation and leave a lot of open loops to be answered. You can also have several topics going on throughout the same text so make sure you play around with it to keep it exciting.



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