Neo, we live in America, the government can't tell us how to eat. That would cause another revolution. They've already been basically doing the same shit which caused our first revolution taxation and what not. If they start trying to dictate eating patterns. Then what? Regulating births like China?

This is up to the individual.

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No I mean isn't being mad that they receive tax money from the government more of a government problem. Like it's the government giving these people your money. For example, I don't agree with welfare being abused but it's more the government giving the money to people who won't work than the people accepting it. I dislike both but it's really the government who is deciding to put your money to fat people imo

Yeah, food stamps can't be used to buy cigarettes or alcohol, shouldn't be able to buy soda or candy, either.

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Food stamps are a good idea in principle, but it encourages people to squander what little money they otherwise would've spent on food on luxuries like cable TV, alcohol and cigarettes, all of which are taxed. And drugs, which the government cannot tax. The war on drugs is not a policy of compassion or health, it is purely the state being butt-hurt that people are spending money on something they cannot tax.

The government provide welfare because it protects their own financial interests. It's easier for them to give poor people just enough money to survive but not enough to rise up and cause them problems.

Back on topic though, we are living in an age where men are seen as expendable and accused of being predators, creeps, rape culture etc.

Pickup is the answer to the lack of masculine identity in modern times. If you have solid game, you are the selector, you are the cause, not the effect. Women react to you, instead of you trying to supplicate, please and impress women with your lifestyle of money, muscles and fake value purchased by your hard-earned salary. As selectors, we should reject women who do not respect themselves enough to stay in shape.

Cool, in what way does that pic highlight your flaws? The point I was trying to make was completely missed by most people replying to me now ITT. Apart from those with a thyroid condition anyone can achieve low body fat%, it would defy the laws of thermodynamics to suggest otherwise. I dislike this thread because you are basically just talking shit about less fortunate people to what ends?

WHEN IS SOMEONE TOO SHAMEFULLY UGLY (followed by pics)

Like, are you seriously in support of this? How does this help anyone in any way other then making them feel less insecure in some broken way by comparison at the expense of someone's short comings? This thread literally stands to deter people from being with other people due to physical short comings. As if it's ok to just degrade other people because we all have no flaws, right?

What about the guys that are on this site that prefer overweight women, or lets say they find someone like in the op who is an amputee or has some sort of deformity but they really enjoy that persons company, should they feel ashamed for liking that person? I fail to see the value in this thread.

As for the ''bullshit'', no I think im quite accurate in saying social factors encourage people to get fat. Just because you decided to enact a high level of discipline to get yourself into shape after being overweight doesn't mean that our culture doesn't make it easier for everyone to get fat. That is in fact why so many people are fat. The whole point is what is easiest, and that's what we promote, cars to get to get from point A to B so you don't have to walk. Places to sit everywhere. Entertainment systems so that you never have to go outside or do anything. Delivery services that bring you food or mail you items/information so you don't have to go out and get them yourself. Food that is extremely calorie dense in large quantities for extremely cheap, conveniently cooked for you. These services are not available globally and some people assume they are and take them for granted.

My point wasn't can't people get thin, it's that society encourages people to get fat in N. America and putting people on blast for being fat/deformed (what this thread is about) is fucking low in my opinion. It's like you feel so bad about yourself you have to bring attention to other people to feel better? No one becomes deformed or incredibly short or tall from their own personal choices, and as for being fat, you put a mcdonalds meal in front of a 5 year old or some turkey/brown rice/broccoli the kid is going to choose the mcdonalds 9/10 times. In my opinion that's on the parents not on the kids. That's why there is an obesity epidemic, can you educate yourself on that and become extremely fit, sure you can. There really isn't an excuse for being overweight once your an adult if you don't want to be. That is not where my grievance lies. It's just the simple idea that it's ok to post up some girl with an obviously disfigured face in the thread titled When is a lay shamefully ugly?

Like wtf is this shit?

You didn't exactly jump at the chance to post a pics of your mom/family ITT, hence my posts, you can go ahead and ironically do that, but it still stands to justify a pointless thread where the point of the thread is basically to degrade people for next to no reason who are less fortunate then those of us who have put in a great amount of effort to dress well, get regular haircuts, and keep in good shape that don't have facial/body deformities

Pumpington you make a good point here, in that the original idea of the thread is not rooted in PUA theory. And that looking down on people we consider below us is unnecessary. Blasting people for being ugly is low, I agree. Because they were born ugly.

Obesity is still a choice though. Politely telling someone they need to lose weight (perhaps offering help) shows more compassion for them as a human being than telling them they look great, thus encouraging them to eat themselves into an early grave. Unfortunately many fat women don't take kindly to even the most polite advice on losing weight.

It doesn't. I have no flaws. I eliminated them myself. That's the point. (OKOK I DO have flaws. I know I am not Zyzz yet. I do need to get rid of some body fat myself, but you know how it is... Winter bulk and all. Still, give me 2-3 months and I will be fucking ripped and juicy for the summer YESSSSS).

All douchebaggery aside, you are free to mate with whomever you want to. It doesn't change the fact that a 2 is a 2 and an 8 an 8, but how you feel about it is your own thing. "Shamefully ugly" applies to yourself and your own standards/preferences. As in for society, you might get some shit from your mates here and there and some people wondering "what is he doing with HER? He could be doing better!" but don't overestimate how much people actually care about you and your personal life choices. It is not a game changer.

What everyone is saying is that it is just a shame the situation of fat people in particular is being sugar-coated so much, since it is a serious health issue that needs to be controlled and it can easily be prevented on a personal level, so incentivating them to lose weight is definetly not the worst thing on earth.

And while I aggree cultural factors can make it harder for someone to lose weight and even put them into a disadvantageous position before they become adults, you said it yourself: There is no excuse for not changing that as soon as you become a functional adult (although it is going to be a rocky road, I know).

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There is almost nothing on this forum(if anything) of grave importance. I make threads that foster thought and ask questions that many people have either never thought about, or rarely thought about.

This thread has been interesting. Can you deny this?

I believe it has achieved its intended end.
Being attracted to obese women is a fetish, and a bizarre one at that. Most guys would be ashamed to admit they had sex with a man. I would consider that to be far less shameful than fucking a fat chick.
Yes, when a man chooses to settle for fucking obese women, I lose respect for him. Maybe I'm rare, and perhaps the liberals goal of everyone having no personal standards of association has been achieved. Maybe most people will befriend someone who robs liquor stores for on-the-side income and "not judge" them. I don't know.

I don't spend time trying to fix messed up people. Fat people are hopeless. And most of them never would have amounted to much anyway. Their exterior is a reflextion of their failed life and broken interior. Thus, I don't worry about what they think. They don't matter to themselves, so why should they matter to me? First thing they actually start caring about themselves, and really trying to do something with their life, their exterior will soon reflect it. When people decide to get their life in order, getting in shape is almost invariably part of it.

I've always believed in the principle that you can be skeptical about positive bragging, but if someone claims flaws, you can take their word for it. Everywhere fat people go, they are broadcasting that they lack any care for themselves and basic self-control. They do not think they have any value as a person, or respect for themselves, or they would not do this. I will listen to their broadcast and take it as stated.
You realize that your attitude is part of that culture making it easier, yes? You validate fat people. Fat acceptance supporters say things like "Women of every shape and size can be beautiful!". No they can't. Fat people are gross. Just because there are handful of attractive men who into this fetish doesn't make it debatable, any more than the handful of attractive men who like literal farm animals makes it debatable and "in the eye of the beholder" if goats are sexy. They aren't, and I look down on those people too(I'm so judgmental!).
No, though I find it interesting that you've taken up the fat chicks reframe of people pointing out their disgustingness and trying to turn it back on them. This is one of the many ways you're working to support the culture of obesity. You use fat acceptance talking points and counterarguments.
And I say people who let their kids get fat are bad parents. Do you agree, Pump? Or is it a "no judgment" thing again?

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Wow...you really don't like fat chicks lol. Me neither, but I'd feel worse sleeping with a man than a fat chick. I see nothing wrong with you guys stating your preferences though. The fat chicks will still at least find SOMEONE, and this is mostly guys here, so I hope this thread motivates the fat PUAs who follow the whole "you deserve a 10" thing to hear the truth, feel shitty and work out.

I need to lose some body fat as well. I do a light whole body work out everyday. It's not really aimed at burning body fat, more like slight gains each day.

On topic.

Fat people choose to be fat. We have every right to criticize them for their life choices. You think fat people run around being angels to everyone they meet?

You say people in this thread only criticize out of some insecurity to make themselves feel good about themselves.

You get validation and make yourself feel good by trying to be superman/Gandhi or w.e. You're the type of guy who gets a sense of entitlement by thinking he is benevolent and superior to everyone else because he cares about the weak and takes on other peoples stress.

See I can take your action and flip it into a negative spin by pulling shit out of my ass as well.

You talk about not being judgmental and then you sit on a high horse and look down your nose at us being even more judgmental by pulling a negative psychological analysis out of thin air.

If certain men aren't attracted to fat women, you judging them is the same as them judging the fat people you justify. This is your own value system being contradicted.

So sit back, stop being a hypocrite, and let us have our general chat about picking up or not picking up ugly women in peace.

I have to admit to sleeping with multiple fat women in the past. They are actually pretty fun when your drunk. It's like riding a giant wave.

Not sumo wrestlers or anything crazy like that though. Some people find large asses disgusting. And prefer the toned athletic ass of a man... To each his own.

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I'm not talking about "fat" women, like my "3" on the OP(who is still basically shaped like a woman). I'm talking fat like, 200+ and composed primarily of rolls. I started out saying obese, though I did lapse into saying "fat", mostly.
There's "fat" and there's "FAT". Like the size of person who basically didn't exist until the 1950s.

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The politically correct phrase for your description is 'TONS OF WOMEN'.

100 kgs (220 lbs) is one tenth of a ton.
200 kgs is one fifth of a ton.
500 kgs is half a ton and so on.

So if a dude banged 10 women weighing 200 kgs a piece during a month or two of sarging, then that's two tons.

Personally though, I prefer banging a fat pussy than winging it out with a hard throbbing cock. I'm just quite picky nowadays because there's just TOO MANY hot women addictively desiring the generosity of my cock.

Thanks in a very large measure to the treasure throve of seduction knowledge that I've found (and keep on finding) in this forum.

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I just don't agree, I really enjoy this forum. You can do what ever you want and I think you should have a right to voice your opinion in threads and that's why I replied to this thread rather then locking it. I personally am pretty offended at this thread man, some of these girls can't help what they look like and if you hate it, then you don't have to date them, but you don't have to put them on blast either.
This debate serves no purpose for me. I don't like putting people down who have done nothing to me personally. I think people should be able to date who ever they want, whether that be fat girls or men, lesbian, gay, chubby chaser, dating someone in a wheelchair, someone with a face/body deformity, people who are exceptionally short/tall, I don't think people should be put on blast for looking for love, no matter what their personal standards are it has nothing to do with me.

You have me confused for an SJW, I don't find overweight women attractive, but I don't make threads degrading people for their physical appearances either. If someone wants to date someone who is obese or disfigured, they shouldn't feel bad about that either. There is more to people then what they look like, people are still people.
Dude, I don't support people being overweight, it is unhealthy. This debate serves no purpose for me because the sentiment is lost on me. This is a thread to shame people out of dating other people based on physical appearance. I highly doubt the majority of people posting in here are exactly the epitome of male model. Just re-evaluate this rather then just trying to disagree with me for the sake of disagreement, what sort of message does this send to some guy who is new to meeting women?
Of coarse I agree that poor eating habits is a bad thing to teach your kids. I don't think most people are taught these bad habits consciously by their parents out of malice, but rather they themselves just have poor eating habits and don't practice staying fit. They pass their own habits on to their kids and as said before, some 5 year old kid won't know any better then what she/he is taught. People shouldn't be ostracized and degraded for choices they didn't make. What if you had downs or some form of facial deformity, you think people should treat you like shit because of that?

I personally happen to be very fortunate when it comes to physical appearance and I work very hard on it. But putting others down just because they are not as fortunate irritates me. That's all I really have to say on this, carry on I won't be responding anymore ITT.

I can tell. This clearly hits some persoal nerve, though I'm not sure if it's the actual topic, or where you're taking it mentally.
I think you're confusing me for the person who posted that chart full of deformed women. None of the women I posted were deformed(only two were uncommly facially ugly), they were obese and all of them could have looked a lot better with weight loss. Two of them could be very attractive.
I don't hate on deformed people, as there isn't anything they can do about it. But deformity is exceedingly rare.
They don't need to be. If a chick has an ugly face, but takes good care of her body, she'll still be somewhat attractive. Being a male model is a combo of good genes and hard work. I do respect male models, however. Though they have good natural bone structure(including height), they still have to keep themselves fit, take very good care of their skin and follow a very strict diet.
This isn't perfection or bust. It's "Don't wallow around in the mud with the pigs".
I covered this in the past.
Ugly guys need to fix themselves, and new guys need to understand they can't get women who are much better looking than them.
It's cool. Thank you for trying to check your personal feelings and engage in the thread.

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