For the sake of communicating coherent information, I will choose to not take any offense to that comparison!

You're still thinking about pickup in terms of "She has something that I want and I will do these tricks to take it from her."

liberating a woman from social stigmas and giving her pleasure. Imagine a musician performing for an audience. He's sharing his emotional states with others and creating a wonderful experience for everyone.

Just as a PUA shouldn't trick a woman into having sex when she doesn't want to, a musician shouldn't perform for an audience that doesn't want to hear his music.

The fact that you see seduction as some form of taking, like sticking your hand in the cookie jar, tells me that you've still got a ton of Inner Game issues and sexual hangups to sort out.

I wonder how you would talk about liberating women if the person in question is someone from your own family, say a daughter, wife or sister. Just a thought, dont have to answer it.

Do you have the sense the fulfilment that you thought u'd have when u started this journey. how does it feel like on the other end, is there a sense of satisfaction? I want to know where I'm headed and what to expect. I can see the change in my life already over the last 8 months but want to know your thoughts.

To Chief or any other masters out there:

Is it okay to be honest to yourself and confidently say your feeling to a girl in the right situation, provided that girl likes you.
She likes me and think I'm cute although she has a bf (who lives in another continent).

Masters, what are your thoughts on this matter or stage of the game?


Cheers,
Who

I over-read what you wrote. Here's a quick answer.

Be congruent with who you are.

It's commonly mistaken that emotions are a sign of weakness.

But congruency, and openly admitting your emotions and weaknesses is being honest with yourself. This is my perception of "Alpha". And that is all a person can ask for from you.

Your gut instincts will tell you what to do. Turn your brain off.

Chief, I love Ciaran's shock and awe. But more than that I love the concepts behind Shock and Awe. Overwhelming a girl with desire, shifting roles so that you are putty in her hands so the only thing she does is completely and utterly fall for you in minutes. I fucking love it and everything that it stands for. But, everytime that I have tried it, it always falls flat. I think it just comes off as a little too weird, (manufactured might be an appropriate descriptor) even when I am feeling congruent w/ S&A. As in, my inner game matches S&A (that was less for you Chief than for other members). Could you give me either an instance when you successfully used S&A or some tips for using S&A more effectively? I know this can, and will, work. Have you ever successfully used S&A alone or do you tend you use it with other stuff like the GW Method and NLP? Thanks a lot.

In other words: Yes.

The Community followed many teachings about human nature. That sparked a new passion in my life which eventually became my college major: psychology. Ever since then I read several texts, many by Ph.D.'s, pertaining to psychology and theories of attraction.

#1: Women love sex. Unless biologically stunted in her privates or a lesbian she will love sex with men. Ahhh key is being a man, not a boy or feminine. The natural man knows this desire for sex is there and acts on it for mutual gratification. Sex is a natural thing that happens between you and a woman. It is not a battle or conquest. It is animal lust.

#2: Natural mans picture of himself is not as a boy: Soft living and pampering, from womb to coffin we are given. We are saved when we need saving and listened to when we cry. Natural man doesn't have this perception anymore. He thinks "me" he doesn't think he is young or a child or a boy. He sees himself as a man. You are an adult a grown up. Act accordingly. Don't be crying about shit, somebody didn't fuckin drop dead, don't be crying. Don't be hanging on women like they are your mother. There's 500 of em to many to list. Its called not being a PUSSY ass little boy. You get your "sun" these things don't happen as much anyways. Still be aware of thinking like a MAN and an adult, not something weak or helpless.

#3: Other men are not superior to you. Natural man would have none of this. Get your sun in place and it'll come. To offend another man is to possibly have to fight. All it means to offend another man. SO WHAT. You don't giggle when AMOG makes a joke at your expense, he doesn't like that? TOO bad, you are MALE, you can and will compete for respect. People used to like it when you made jokes about yourself? TOO bad, they'll get eye contact from you now, not jokes and you giggling at the floor. You aren't looking for trouble, but you aren't gonna avoid it either less its REAL fuckin dangerous. Even then, that gangbanger with the gun in his waistband who's house you ended up at might just shoot you for being a little wimpy punk ass when you talk about "I'm such a tight ass square white boy". And know that you ain't gonna giggle enough or be passive enough to get out of that basement in el Salvador where you've just landed the lead role in a forced donkey on man sex act. So be a MAN and don't look for trouble OR try to avoid it, especially while its happening. Natural man is no victim. You don't have to be either.

#4: You don't take any shit from anyone with a smile. Usually you wont take any shit at all, but if you are backed in to a corner hands tied and your balls in a vice, you don't grin and bear it, you just bear it. You do this because you have an imaginary audience, this life you are living is the movie, you are the main character. This life is no comedy, you take life seriously when serious situations arise. You are the leading man in every story. You only take the scripts that suit you. You MUST live up to this audience, your entire self is watching. Living anyway or anything else? Pffffffft. That's when you aren't so serious and are just making a cameo appearance as a big time leading man in some stupid comedy. Passing through.

#5: Sexual state. You feel it, you know its there. You SURELY don't think its wrong! You know its natural. Its what she feels in a different way as well. Once the sun has risen, this sexual state will BURN in you, to be obsessed with it would not be unmanly or unnatural. It is your other being. It is in fact from the testosterone a sort of survival persona, at the procreation level. Testosterone will give you this survival mechanism to drive your aggression and persistence in mating and competition with other men.

#6: You're gonna forget about "swingers" and "Tao of Steve" and "Don Juan Demarco" as PU movies, they are now only entertainment. You don't use induction, ESPECIALLY fictional induction. Watch the movie "predator" with Arnold swarzenegger. See the order of masculinity in actions and interactions PU wise. Far as being a male. Who of them would get the best women for what they looked like? Indian tracker guy(little much, pretty much below Arnold because of it) and Arnold (right way to be), 2 black guys (both pretty standard), Jesse Ventura and grenade launcher guy (amog/AFC types looking to impress and cackling over stupid jokes), guy with glasses ALWAYS giggling around and being a goof. Predator kills them in roughly that order for sport. Also watch the scene with the Indian tracker, he gets fed up, throws off all his shit takes out his knife and waits on the path for the predator tired of being hunted. If you cant see that as a real tearjerker lol, you are WAY too conditioned by this passive society.

I only mention this as off the wall as it sounds as I remember about 87 or so when this came out. After having watched it in a deep zone in, really identifying with the characters was the first time I felt like a man in my whole life. Have MALE, masculine role models. Yeah watch Seinfeld or MASH and laugh and enjoy it, but don't think just cause Jerry and George have a new woman written in each week they are good role-models. Not saying a guy who acts like that cannot get laid, just that he wont get laid as much or by the women he really wants.

#7: You know women and men are not from different planets. Socially which we will get to later there can be variables. But basic first fact is that biologically men and women are MUCH alike. Any thoughts of "women think different from men" are squashed out instantly. You conform to the bare minimum of social differences and her conditioning to have the mutual sexual experience. You do not harp on the differences of men and women in your mind. People walking around the planet, living eating and fucking. Humans from earth. Not creatures from Mars and Venus cast in some battle of wills. That's book selling talk, not reality.

Who,
You are treading in dangerous waters. Get out. Don't forget the community's ethical rule of "leave her better than you found her." Your selfish desperation is blinding you to the potential sufferings of those around you.


Fiftyone,
Here are some of my beliefs that I can think of off the top of my head:
1. Women are beautiful
2. Everybody loves sex
3. Beautiful women ESPECIALLY love sex
4. Everybody wants to have sex with sexy people
5. I am fucking sexy (for reasons A, B, C, D, etc.)
6. Therefore the women I want to fuck want to fuck me, regardless of the social programs that tell them to hide and disguise their sexuality

Gunwitch has a list of beliefs that he teaches in his method. You might find this useful: You can read his work for free at www.gunwitch.com

As for the "mental image" I see before or during an approach, there is none. You should not bother yourself with these mental images when you're gaming unless they are solely to aid you in your sexual state. For the most part, having any sort of mental image that isn't directly part of what's happening HERE AND NOW is only going to hinder you from living in the moment. Fuck the past and fuck the future. Gaming should be in the present, so stay present.

If you try to construct any sort of mental image that attempts to shape and/or predict your future with a woman, you're opening the floodgates for your subconscious mind to preoccupy itself with potential negative consequences and also any associated negative past events. The ONLY mental image you should have when talking to a woman is the image of her naked and moaning in complete pleasure under the weight of your body. That will help sexual state. Read GWM for more on sexual state and its significance for your game.

As for the mindset that gives me confidence with women, it's a lot more useful to point your mind in a different direction than that. Confidence isn't really about confidence. What I mean is, it's a lot more useful to aim for INDIFFERENCE rather than confidence. Whatever mindset that will make you indifferent to the outcome will be a million times more useful than trying to chase that elusive and subjectively defined thing called "confidence."

Hey Adam.

I have been trying to get this girl, but thing is, game seems useless.
When I "gamed her" I ended up pushing her away.

Now, lately I've been a lot more AFC on purpose. Weird thing is, she seems to like it.
The other day I ended CRYING on the phone when she told it was better if I got away from her, because I'd get tired of her, blah blah.

I then admitted that I've been in love with her for 3 years, a thing I always lied about. I proved it my mentioning a song she was listening to in a totally useless and remote moment, it touched her, and she told me:

"You realize I now love you more than I ever did, right?"

She has been "cheating" on her boyfriend with me (not actually cheating because when we did something she had asked her boyfriend for a time, because of me, although he doesn't know i'm the cause)

What is going on? I'm always afraid I'm saying I love her too many times, that I'm giving up my power, blah blah. But the opposite of what I've learned is working! What the f**

Well, it's not that linear. I'm still act cocky a lot of times, she loves it when I say things like: "You do know I'm the best that will ever happen to you", especially because I'm serious while saying it.

She loves it when I write her romantic poems, lame texts, etcera. Now, I am a pretty good writer in my native language (portuguese), so I know that's part of the reason. But still.

I haven't forgotten what I've learned about the Game, but I've been way TOO MUCH afc, and I don't understand why it is working.

Sorry about the long post, but this is really a different case.

EDIT: Btw, her boyfriend and her breaking up is just a matter of time. She's way insecure, and afraid of breaking up with him because when she tried he started crying and saying he'd die if she ever left him and stuff like that. I know I'm part of the reason, but now whole.

Interesting, thank you. Yes, in fact, I've been reading the Art of Seduction by Robert Greene and I always thought it was the approach to pick up I'd prefer.

So, you think it is possible to have a "Love story" approach to pick up? I'm not interested in short term sex anyway.

And you are right, lately she has been a bit more distant. I asked her: "Has something changed between us?" (Afc, I know) and she just responded: "No".

Last night I told her: "You know, I liked you better before, when you said sweet things. I'll lose interest if you continue like that." And it seemed to help a bit, but still, I'll put a bit of distance between us anyway.

Still, she's the kind of girl that always went for guys who were really into her, I mean, too much into her.

She lost her mother when she was very young (about four years old) i'm not going to tell you how because it is a horrible story and I respect her wish of secrecy.
Still, do you think girls who grew up without a mother figure need a different approach? Are there any advantages or disadvantages?
It seems to me that it is harder for her to LJBF someone, and it also makes her much more sensitive, which goes both ways. She can be really cruel and play with feelings, and she can be really insecure and needy.

What is your take on this? And sorry about the buttload of questions =).