Joe, you're talking a bunch of bullshit.

You think a salesman can only sale to people who are already willing to buy his product? You think every salesman who can make a person reach into their pocket and hand over money has the same skill level? This also incorporates human will.

How much more "proof" do you need other than me reaching into YOUR city and getting girls to hang out with YOU on my behalf? Wtf is rediculous about that? I travel, all it will do is plant some seeds for me to harvest later when I come there. A win win. You can stop talking about proof, and I get to network all over the world.

This is an OPEN invitation to anyone who has been following this thread. Just PM me.

Anyway, you are talking a bunch of bullshit. It's not based on anything. I listed the 3 systems I was referring to then you started talking about wigs, levitating, and flicking your cloak disappearing in a puff of smoke. You ignore valid points and come up with conclusions out of thin air based on no facts.

Frankly, you're a basic PUA. I don't know why you're becoming so intense about me pointing out the fact that your "take it or leave it I'm already good enough" style is basic. I wouldn't even have brought this up had you not started dissing PU based on stuff you've read from other basic guys and con artists. You make loads of generalizations about the world.

I'm not going to post any infields because I don't want people seeing my face or hearing my voice. I just finished this outstanding course on generating millions of people in traffic on a weekly basis to a website. I'm about to become rich, I've already set up an affiliate program and am in talks with millionaire affiliate marketers attempting to set up deals.

I write under a pen name. I have to think a few steps ahead. I don't want to hear you comments on whether or not I will succeed because honestly you're starting to come off as a narcissist with nihilistic view points to me. So our conversation ends here on this particular topic.

P.S. If you didn't already read I've never learned from Julian, or Mystery. You bringing them up is one of those pulling things out of thin air tricks you do.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
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Lmfao...wow. I was rolling when I came home. Joe, you have gotta be my favorite poster of all time. How can you say no one in PU backs up their stuff, then say you put up proof that no one saw, and THEN ask another dude to put up proof. That's not a shot at you, I just find that hilarious. Come on, argue if you guys want to but let's at least be fair.
This was actually a good point.

Hope someone takes fudge's offer.

More talk followed by an excuse why you cannot because of a book writing deal. Shit or get off the pot man. You sound like the story of Aladdin and his magic carpet. Its beyond ridiculous.

Thank you. It was not my intent!
Whether you saw or not, two avis were put up, and then pulled. Not my problem if people were not online or paying attention. You snooze you lose.
He is talking like Aladdin and a magic carpet. Read over his post; it was short of flying around on a magic carpet throwing random women he met from online at other Aspiring PUAs. No pics, infield footage, vids, avis or anything. Just a lot of hocus pocus. I am thinking about signing up to his boot camp after I buy his book.
Of course it was. Much of what was used in PU to sell crap was fabricated and regurgitating material from other sources. Granted, those were great sources (Eckhart Tolle, Anthony Robbins, David Deida, etc). I have posted more links to different articles, links to men getting fucked by the court system, links to sexodus and or PU attacks, Jmulv being the closest to Zyzz in PU who turned out to be rapey battling court issues of his own.

My book is a step by step guide to a new from home career. I focus on teaching people how to find legitimate employment from home and avoid get rich quick schemes. It's mainly geared towards retired people, work at home moms, people on disability, or people who want to get the fuck out of the office.

I have started gathering little minions off this site, and coaching them for free. This is really just self amusement, but I also get some self gratification knowing I've put guys on the correct path. I couldn't live with myself passively letting these newbs become victims of the wolves (or garbage info) in our community.

I won't sell anything because all I've done is take the best knowledge that exists in the world, test it, pick and choose my favorites, and synthesized them into my own unique system. I take a Bruce Lee/MMA mentality to everything I learn. It's not like I came up with with any of it on my own. Plus I'm still in the learning process so my little thing is evolving and changing.

So yeah..sexodus guys, I don't think they will ever be out of our population because of natural polarity. There can't be strong people without weak people otherwise we wouldn't know how to measure strength. Also, as versalis mentioned earlier most of the sexodus guy's mentality is engineered by people in power. I 100% believe that there are people intentionally manipulating stuff behind the scenes.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

There is no original idea. “There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages.” - M.T.

If by that, you mean, sexodus was a product due to a corrupt legal system and gynocentrism, I would have to agree. I find it interesting that you mention manipulation and stuff behind the scenes but, you blindly promote PUA. There is truth in every system but, there is also a lot of bullshit. You could listen to society, to get just wait, meet the right woman, get married, have a family, and live happily ever after. Now, that is possible but, it is just as possible that he could get divorced, he could be taken for spousal support, child support, and be put in financial ruin. According to the stats, this happens 50% of the time, and of that percentage of failed marriage, two thirds or more are filed by women who are compensated from this failed business venture. Sexodus is a product of this. The Roman Empire eventually collapsed. All systems eventually collapse. That is an example of expansion and contractions; ying and yang.

PU counters¨just wait.¨Instead, a man is taught to approach, to be his best self, to overcome his personal insecurities like A.A., and other sticking points to become a better man. This is a great idea however, like marriage and all these other systems, it comes down to dollars and cents. Buy my boot camp, buy my program, you are not yet complete. You can scroll through forum after forum, look at all the zombies who spent thousands on programs, some of which are real while others, not so much, and some are still chasing the pipe dream of being the PUA champ of the galaxy. It is ridiculous.
A prime example of the PUA carrot on a string. I am not more then enough, she is better then me so, I need to employ techniques because there is no way she would like me for me. I am not a pua. I talk to lots of girls. They either like me or they do not. I am not employing bullshit. The funny thing about employing sprinkles of bullshit is that, these same men end up posting on forums up their feelings, and emotions for these girls.

I won't be baited into that conversation again. I made my point. You don't know what the "bullshit" techniques are so your words have as much weight to me as a 4 year old's.

The courts play a role, but the court systems are still puppets of larger forces. I mentioned how I trade forex pair right? Well in this system we (the traders) are making forecasts on the economic competition of nations. The countries are our race horses. There is an independent conglomerate of banks that answer to no country that control and influence the value of each countries currency. The people who determine exchange rates. They are the ones who pay me if I project trends correctly. There are people in this world who after uttering a few phrases can send a country like the USA into an economic crises. People like the President of the Federal Reserve.

These people are still faces and puppets and speak the words they are told to say by people in the shadows. The puppet masters aren't afraid of feminists or they would have crushed the movement already. They are the ones who have designed this industrial complex which keeps the lower population running on a rat wheel, working dead end jobs and settling for second choices. Only to get divorced, pay off the courts, who pay off the banks, who answer to the puppet masters.

I don't know who these puppet masters are specifically because I stopped going down that rabbit hole after getting the feeling I was being watched. I'm a marine I have a 6th sense for danger. I have a suspicion that they are international companies and criminal organizations.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

So, you have nothing to counter the argument and are checking out? Okay.
PUA Aladdin is back with his magic carpet. Please, share your wisdom of employing bullshit tactics and of course, no pics or infield of actual PU. Also, links to your book. Enlighten me.
You portray more stupidity in the following sentence. You speak of puppets and larger forces only to mention trading. If you understand trading and economics, you would understand that there are people manipulating projections on wall street; the root of all evil being money. It is all about resources, assets, money, and greed. You are one small person... whereas, the one pulling all the strings and actually controlling the forecasts on stock makes money no matter what happens. Accountants on wall street were taken away in handcuffs for rigging the system but, more of this crap continues to go on. I am poking holes through your argument. Carry on!
Yes. Read Antifragile by N.N.T. and it points out more and more corruption. The system is faulty. Getting paid for being right is what bodog does for me too. What is your point? There is no Federal Reserve. They keep printing off paper money meaning, nothing but tax payers money; blood, sweat, and tears are backing the debt of the States.
There is truth here but, the same corruption in the court system is the same with Trading, Economics, PU, and everything that revolves around a capitalist society. All systems fail sooner or later. Even the Roman Empire was over thrown at some point. Every civilization reaches that breaking point at one time or another.
Marine, PUA, Writer, ... this would make an incredible fictional book. Something like Stephen King, dark and ominous. Do like his book about the JFK assassination and time travel. Everybody gets a hard on for that stuff.

I think what fudge is saying is the proof will be the girls he gets you.

PS- since you guys are saying money is the motivator behind most changes in the world, didn't I say that men should put money in to fight the laws, as opposed to walking away?

I sent Joe a PM in response to his last comment because we began to get on a tangent about money and power and stuff which is on the opposite end of the spectrum from these sexodus guys.

Money is one method Neo. Another method would be to find the guys who are responsible for the votes that make the changes and attempt to persuade them with words.

Or.

You could use some indirect game. I think direct game would be blown out by these politicians. This is cool. Mental masturbation theory time.

So, the indirect master PUA that lives in the shadows gathers a list of politicians who can change a particular law. He then find out the politicians normal day to day schedule and happens to bump into him/her at the location. He then opens and befriends the politician. Finally, using NLP mind control tricks he subtly changes the politician's opinion on the law he wants voted out.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

I am saying that environment, living conditions, parenting (attachment theory; security, avoidant, anxious). social economic, etc. are among factors. If you looked at the many links, men have put money into fighting the laws but, the men have the money so, it benefits the system. The system is no longer beneficial once men no longer have the money. We will see a decline in marriage among other things when this happens.

Surprise, no pics, infield footage, sex tapes or anything PU related but a wall of text that consisted of Fudges 2cents. Why am I not surprised? Nobody was missing anything in case anyone was wondering.
MRM, MRA, Mgtow, Malelist are doing that. It is go nowhere. More extreme Mgtow is just avoiding society and anything gynocentrism. By doing PU, we are anti Mgtow as it plays into traditionalism and gynocentrism.
In a province called Ontario, there were laws that made legal age of consent 16 changed to 14. No doubt, some politician wanted some 14yr old pre mature sugar walls. Its pretty disgusting but, no doubt, there was definitely something going on here for such a thing to take place.
This goes back to your comment in another thread about PUAs being masters of the universe or something like. PU is not done so well by most. Most are gimmicky. Most have walls of text be it in forum or pm but, nobody is impressing the way Zyzz did. Nobody is putting up the kind of pull close the way Yaboydave did. Nobody offers this kind of content but, some internet warriors in PU forums all have their opinions and two cents. It is ridiculous. The same way feminism has brain washed the court systems, Western Society, and the majority of female zombies amongst the youth, PU has did the same with a lot of men. Some of the crap online is about some schmuck who farts PUA dust and pulls actresses and models. More and more are caught for fraud. Who would imagine, a system that is about getting women for the exchange of your resources would do such a thing?
If Zyzz or Yaboydave had made a bootcamp, they would put 99% of the PU industry out of business.

I tried searching up AFC Adam Lyons divorce. I came across nothing. I am sure that info would be at least relevant. The closest I could find was a link to a mgtow thread on it. Still no solid links or info. Pretty much a blood bath in there and on reddit attacking any males involved in PU.

I had to put my 2 cents where it belonged.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about alpha male-ing ( male as a verb) the politician, or relying on looks like yahboydave. I was talking about mind fucking em. I don't know NLP, I don't now if the stuff will work as I haven't tested it yet. You know I just got the book man. I said it was pure theory.

Legal age of consent 14? You mean like 40 year old's can legally bang 14 year old children? Damn, that's pretty messed up. The 14 year old's are probably still out of the sexodus guy's league.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Lol. It wasn't the current environment of entitlement that ended it, if you ever saw Adam and his ex wife you'd know that it wasn't going to last. Amidst other rumors of her cheating and using him for money. These mgtow guys are just like pastors, using anything to make push their agenda.