I will just sum it up to agreeing to disagree with you. Women are having kills well into the 50s, several into the 100 or so kills. Some even more. Others will run as wild as they can until the dick stops coming their way.

As for PU and top % males, very few are in this league or even able to describe it. Nobody here is doing what Zyzz is doing and putting up the videos of proof. The long standing history of girls. Nobody here is doing what Yaboydave did. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors. Tons of forum theory be it this forum, taf, rsd or where ever else. The best I have seen online from PU was Jmulv who I linked to a thread that stated something about him, kidnapping, and being charged for being rapey or standing trial for outrageous accusations. If you saw what he was suggesting, advocating, and doing, simply put, anything to get laid. Much of what he advocated is as feminist say, rape culture. It is unhealthy but, the guy had kills into the high hundreds. RSD members were nuthugging him as were the forum instructors and mods up until he was standing trial for being rapey. Now, he is not allowed to be brought up.
We simply don't agree dude. Its cool.
But you went on a rant about have fun... I asked what were you taught. I repeated myself in caps to over emphasis your parents. Assuming your parents suggested gangbangs and having sex is entirely different from my experience.
The dude who went on a rant about destroying female psychology and self esteem before she got naked for him. Began straddling him and pushing hard for sex is the anomaly male who is in a relationship or married that does this. Most males who are domesticated, house broken, they lose it. This is not to say you have. Still, I much prefer to learn game from those who actually do it. I will wing with this guy again cause he is fun and great at it despite never learning about PU.

Lots of mental masturbation in this thread

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I'm fine with disagreeing, I just keep asking you to state some real life proportions for the things you describe. A few extreme cases of something is fine, but doesn't equal the majority unless you say it's a significant proportion of the women you meet. I can say 1000 people got killed by bees this year, but I have to give you a location or how much this is of a sample to say bees stings are rampant. If the sample is 2000 people, then bees are a serious problem. If the sample is out of the worlds population, it's not. A link of an occurrence or multiple links is useless without giving the whole picture. For example:
Yes. And there are many women who sleep with dogs and horses. I have to know how many women you come across that have these high "kills" to back or even discuss the statement. What proportion of women on average do you come across with 50+lays? This is not a serious question, but my point is, words like "majority" and "most" have to be used with a context behind it. If you meet 10 out of 15 women who have 50+ lays, that holds more wait than saying you've met 100 women who have 50+ lays because the second
begs the question, out of how many? Then a discussion can be had about your environment, and whether this signals something for society as a whole. The occurrence of anything, can be scary if you don't know the context. Alot of this seems to be X happens so much, it must mean most women are like this. Everything you said could be true, but it doesn't mesh with my experience meeting women. Many and most are two different things. Just wanted some context for your assertions. But don't worry about it, I just can't discuss talking points.

When you search for something, you usually find it.
And recent history can often cloud your view of the boarder world.

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I have linked several instances that coincide with the current issues in the court system. I have backed my points with this. We simply do not agree and that is okay but, this is going nowhere and fast. Click the links I have posted on men court ordered to pay for children that are not his. Use a search engine and look into divorce stats based upon gender. I have posted more then enough links. The evidence points to a lose lose situation the sec a man has children in Western Society.
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Not sure which mod adjusted my post in another thread. Not cool. The one PU forum guy who posted about being a player with kills in the 100s is in court for being rapey so a link points. Most forums are populated full of theories from guys who do not even pull or even go out let alone approach.

Not sure either.

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I really can't accept that there aren't different levels to this game. Specifically for the points I've made already. Opening further, does every person who shoots the ball at the hoop in the NBA have the same skill level? I'm sure they all can make shots.

As I said it's not about magic pills or w.e. you're talking about. This is pure numbers Joe. Cold, hard, testable, facts. How good is your numbers game? You're making statements without knowing what is actually available, it makes you seem like a brainwashed, mass media following sheep. I know for a fact your not one of those, and I believe you're using that same personality trait reverse engineered to justify your thinking patterns.

So here is the thing, we have two situations. I walk down the street and approach a girl who has very little interest in me. She acts cold and prevents escalations.
Situation 1 - I walk away
Situation 2 - I employ techniques specifically designed for when women respond in this way.

Or, use social proof to boost her attraction levels before I approach. That's it. Nothing to argue about there. If you don't have the knowledge to perform situation 2 (or build the social proof) you are essentially limited by your looks. Like you said.

You are at this point basically saying that the techniques don't work. Have you learned them? Do you know what they are? Have you field tested them? We both know the answer to that question. Which means you're speaking and drawing conclusions out of ignorance.

The reason for me to reach past level 2 (which can definitely net you HIGH quality 6 figure women), is because I intend on going after specific women in the human population. When the moment is presented in front of me, if she isn't a yes woman who is naturally attracted to what I'm throwing out there then I won't get her. Learning the advanced stuff allows me more options when the opportunity arrives.

As far as online dating is concerned I told you I can meet women online (in your city) and have them hang out with you so you can see my quality, and the massive numbers of women I can pull offline. I just made the contingent that you have women too because I don't want you trying to game my girls or giving them a bad time. - I won't have the time to perform this until 2 weeks from today. I'm focusing all of my time on generating massive amounts of traffic to my squeeze page for my book.

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Yes, hence I've been asking Joe for not examples, but proportions. I could be wrong, I could be living in a place that is not representative of society. But at least tell me a proportion of women you meet or know who are the way you describe. As I said, not arguing the divorce rate or that fucked up shit happens. But to V,out of 10 women you know or meet, how many say they don't need a man? How many are Kim Kardashian fans or emulate her? How many jump from cock to cock? How many are acting different after the street harassment video?

It's not a disagreement if I ask for real life PROPORTIONS that support claims. As I said, "many" and "most" are two different things. Talk about what you see and experience, not by quantity, but by proportion to the opposite. The man asking you what percentage of women you meet or know who are like this is not disagreeing with you. I asked V earlier in this thread, if men he met in real life were really like this and where this was so. He answered. I can't disagree with him, his experience is different to mine and he gave proportions for his claims. This is fundamental critical thinking; numbers mean nothing, you have to talk about the percentage, even if just an estimate. Anyways I wont ask for real world PROPORTIONS again.

I've been thinking going beyond humans and trying this with koalas. But unfortunately, I can only seem to find material on cougars.

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Well you also have aliens, but they haven't come out of the closet yet.

Is he joking?

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To fudge, how are your levels different from just being really good at indirect game? I mean it just seems like 1 to 4 are just proficiency levels. Don't get me wrong, I've tried Mm in the past and was able to get girls that looking back couldn't have gotten if I had been natural. And I know guys who are good at MM who turn no girls into yes ones. So I belive that indirect style can help you pass your looks level and status level. I just don't like it anymore because it's more an ego thing than dating a girl who actually likes you for you. But if you want to do that that's fine.

This IS some mental masturbation Warped lol. But it's more interesting than another do looks matter thread or friend zone thread.

That's a great question Neo. I was actually thinking about this myself a while back while deciding if game even existed. The reason I was questioning PU was because an AFC could walk into a room full of 100 women, and using weak body language + boring abc conversation (Where you from? Oh that's cool! I've never been there. Did you go to school there? Oh nice. I went to school at xyz place...blah blah blah): He will be able to convince one of them to allow him to take her on 5 dinners before she decides to sleep with him, form a relationship, get married, and have kids. You know the stuff average guys do.

What started this questioning was after I started seeing tons PU advice saying "Go approach 100 women! Some of them will respond to the bullshit your spewing!", "Approach MORE", "Just do some approaches!" "If you just approach 100 you will get good". So all that AFC has to do is approach 100 women using his own knowledge and he's a PUA?

It looked like there was no difference. After thinking about it for a while. The difference became apparent to me. It has to do with the effectiveness of the numbers game a person employs.

The first guy has no choice over which women respond to him, and it's a crap shoot if he will even get 1. Honestly it could be 0-100. The basic level 1 PUA has a system (if he learned from the correct sources) that is proven to work on a certain type of girl. Even though he is using a proven system, his skills still suck and he makes many mistakes.

He gets better, figures out how his system works and in which environments. This allows him to reach level 2 status. Then he hits a wall that I'm about to explain in a moment. Don't worry I'll address your question soon.

I don't know MM, never read the book. I wasn't drawn to it because I'm not an actor. I don't like feeling fake. Running scripts in a social environment is very fake to me, so I just never picked the book up. That being said, if I'm wrong about these theories on the method's effectiveness please point it out. I am always down to learn.

MM relies on a strictly indirect game. I believe it's mostly employed in a club environment as well. So you have the restrictions of indirect, and night game club environments.

Reaching level 2.5, studying female psychology, and field testing hardcore, I've determined that some women require a direct approach up front. If you go indirect on them they don't understand that you've selected them out of a crowd or that you think they are special.

This is contrary to most of the PU advice that says: Be aloof, a mystery, project that you have abundance and options, make her chase you, etc. You know the stuff which is tailored to party chicks and club girls. Girls who feed off of male attention, gangbang chicks, and what not. It's the way her psychology and conditioning is. The indirect girl. The ones I don't respect. The ones who cheat. The ones who have created these sexodus men. The ones that put the fear of GOD into Joe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o

Granted on direct girls you can do the indirect thing, then switch over to direct on her and it will work, but from the limited stuff I've heard about MM it's an entirely Indirect thing that is focused on getting a girl to chase you. Something that goes against this woman's conditioning.

Half of the women have to be chased, and half of the women you can make chase you. You have to go direct on half in order for her attraction mechanism to spike. If you don't she'll be cold and think you are less of a man for trying to sneak in. Eventually, she'll realize what you are up to and be turned off by the oily, slickness of it all.

Leaning back and trying to get her to chase you with that player vibe turns her completely off because she is looking for a serious, committed 1o1 relationship with a man who thinks she is special. He shows it by how hard he pursuits her, how ballsy he is with his intentions, and how attentive he is to her needs and desires.

You simply do not have full access to using a completely indirect or direct system. They disqualify you actually. The situation where you meet and her thoughts about sexuality also play a huge role, but I don't want to get into all of that here.

The reason why the numbers game doubles at 2.5 is because you learn how to identify these two different women at the beginning and you avoid disqualifying yourself.

The reason I labeled this level 2.5 is because you don't need it to get to level 3.

This is still just a yes girl system. You walk up to a girl who is attracted to you, but then you use the wrong style and you turn her off. 2.5 allows you to gain access to the women a strict abc formula can't because most of those focuse on either the direct or indirect realm specifically. Not every woman is attracted to a player/smooth talker. Some of them want you to put yourself out there and even be self effacing.

The direct opener I use that works tremendously is "(let her pass by me) (walk up and tap her on the shoulder to turn her around) (this makes it seem like I had to gather my balls for a second and impresses this type of woman) Hey, I just saw you from over there. I thought you were really cute, and I would be kicking myself later if I didn't come over and say hello. My name is (name+reach out hand to start kino)" The indirect chick will respond with a thanks or one word answer and get cold because I come off desperate to her conditioning. The direct chick will seem flattered and genuinely admire my courage. She'll respond with a smile, shake my hand, and tell me her name.

Now say I'm on the street and I walk up to the Direct girl and ask her for directions. She'll give me the directions and try to be on her way. I then have to stop her and get her into an indirect conversation about the environment or whatever. In her head she is wondering why I'm talking to her, and becoming suspicious of my intentions since she resonates with guys opening themselves up immediately. Then I start trying player shit on her and it turns her off completely.

I've recently learned how to prime women using stealthy tricks. Now, I actually know if she is a direct, indirect, or a no/maybe girl before I even start talking. It's a crazy ability. I feel so fucking powerful.

Level 3 addresses turning no/maybe women into yes women.

Now to your question.

I suppose if you manage to keep a direct woman or a no/maybe woman around you for 7 hours then sure she will probably develop some sort of attraction to you, but in the beginning you're swimming upstream. Most likely you will be rejected upfront. Finding one in the pack is like that blind pig finding a truffle in the forest.

Why would a woman who rejected you based off looks or social conditioning spend 7 hours in your presence? Why would she even spend more than a couple minutes/seconds talking to you? Why would she try and qualify herself to you? Why would she chase you? Why would she even listen to or hold weight of the opinions of a disqualified guy? Why would the "neg" do anything but make her feel that "ew, get the fuck away from me loser!" vibe? The MM seems like it's still only a system tailored towards indirect yes girls. Or club situations in general. Not no/maybe women.

Yes girls who are in the club or yes girls who respond well specifically to indirect styles.

The social proof tactic makes her attracted before you get to her. So you never experience the no/maybe aspect at all. Very smooth.

The JW tactic creates true love inside of the woman through a combination of attacks on her subconscious mind, her conscious mind, and her emotional guidance system. It's an ugly and rough pick up not smooth in the least, but effective.

I'm sure I'll be able to smooth it out as I field test the knowledge more. It's a method that takes what you already know and develops a unique style for you, and allows for the true love effect to overrule her social conditioning.

Mental Masturbation at it's finest!

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Maybe.
I'd have to think about it. Sounds like it does come with certain advantages.

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Men that pull and men that do not. I feel this sums it up. I feel we all have different talents, values, belief systems, and we can share all this with the world. Through PU, I do this by extending that olive branch, and no matter the outcome, I am content. I am already more then enough. I find it ironic that PU pushes Eckhart Tolle but, contradicts the message with chasing down more ego gratification; counter productive to the Ecky message. Much of the NBA level is qualities but, for a better understanding, read the book, Talent is Overrated. It accurately ends the myth of talent. People shut down someone and their unique gift as being talented which dismisses the years and endless time dedicated to a particular craft. The difference with PU and NBA is that, free will is something that must be taken into account. A woman either likes you or does not. NBA, someone either sinks a basket or they do not. They can perfect that. With PU, you can perfect being the best man you can be but, a woman still has free will, that being choice.
You made a ignorant comment in another thread about PUAs as masters of the universe. The truth being, very few are good at this stuff, and less are pulling all that often above their deviation in attractiveness consistently. I know what is actually available based upon my experience and I know, when push came to shove, JB backed down to the same media that made him apologetic; something he tells students not to be. Everyone that judged him would back pedal. I linked a Sean Connery video where he states, "my opinion has not changed." How is that for alpha? You use sheep and brain wash yet, you are pedalling more PU rubbish instead of putting up videos the way Zyzz did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVQdYlvCv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YsGJz3j4os

Personally, I would love to see someone from PU post something of this level or better, post something of actual pulls the way Yaboydave but nothing illegal. The closest to this is Jmulv who is in court for being "rapey." Nobody in PU has did what he has done or offered that kind of support. You speak of brain washing but, you have yet to offer support of your experience, infield footage backing your claims, and abilities. If this was the misc, you would have been negged into the red. I already put up a avi and brought it down. I simply don't give a fuck about game or PU. I do it. Its not a big deal and I do not make an ego out of PU. While I am not claiming you to be a fraud, it is a repetitive theme in PU where people toot their horn, and outside Jmulv, nobody backs it up. Again, he is potentially going to jail for being rapey. Look over the links. All his content has been pulled and you can be banned for bringing him up on their forums.
I start talking to her. Make small talk. Tell her I have to get going but, we should hangout or party or take a rocketship to the moon sometime. Number is acquired or I do more PU.

PU brain washes people into believing that you can win over every woman in the world. Not true. Many women are in monogamous relationships who wont cheat. If you have been to rap concerts, their personal security walks through the crowds pulling the hottest women into their VIP booth. You nor I are getting in their to pull girls off Lil Wayne or who ever the fucking rapper is. Many PU systems will brain wash men into thinking they will turn you into 007.
I would just as easily extend the olive branch of inserting myself into her life. she can take it or leave it. Then, onto more PU or whatever is more important going on in my life.
I have my own. Hi, I am Joe. We talk, she likes me or doesn't. Then, more PU or whatever is most important going on in my life.
Learned them? Be specific. Which? Wearing fake mustaches? Wigs? Magic in bars? Be specific!
Read above!
Which wearing fake mustaches, wigs, dressing like a clown, and doing magic in bars? Would you like a serious answer?
What you are saying is that, you are pretending to ask me question but, you are doing all the answers!

I can play that game too. You do PU but, provide no pics, videos or anything similar to Zyzz or Jmulv and I am to go by you as the PUA of the galaxy.
I provided a avi recently. I changed it. Whether you or who ever saw it is not my problem. Thus far, you have offered nothing, tooted your horn, and provided nothing in regards to proof. If this was the misc, you would be flamed and negged into oblivion. If this was 4chan, you would be doxxed!
Whatever you got to tell yourself man. I already put up several pulls over the holidays and more PU. You have just talked a bunch and provided zero backing in support of your ability. Put up 1 infield.



You must be young. This is ridiculous.
Yet, you wrote a novel here and again about being the PUA of the galaxy. Put up a avi of a recent pull. Provide something, anything that is not ridiculous. While I do not agree with Neo, he has at least did that.

Its difficult to say. Its like saying, how many numbers do you get everyday? What is your pulling percentage? The week I mentioned the gangbang and vagina trap, probably half that week. Other periods, the girls are crazier, and tooting their feminist horn more often. I also should add, certain countries, states, provinces are more heavily burdened by feminism then others. Australia is one. The biggest feminist arena in the world is Sweden. Some provinces are more burden then others and the same goes for some states. This is environmental. google search cities that are heavily burden by feminist agenda. If you got to Sweden, you have been warned ahead of time. Search over JB articles and look at areas they have called out for being known PU locations for inner circle or lair guys.

Dude, I have linked several threads, many associated with sexodus or JB have listed locations where are known areas of PU and heavily populated by feminist agenda. A simple google search and you can find all this info you are requesting.

The whole percent and proportion thing is erroneous as is the PUA batting average. Its like striking out is made to be a bad thing. Quite frankly, I rather a woman be not interested then in the maybe column. I think there is a less dense area of feminists in your area. I am not as fortunate. Unfortunately, I suspect there is a significant issue of women with mental health issues in my area, women who are heavily medicated, and not going places in life. I would say half are of this feminist zombie mentality. Look at the be ware of PU articles in regards to JB. Look at youtube videos by Sandman or RBK or JohnTheOther. They call out many province and states that are heavily populated by feminists.

Interestingly, the same areas are populated with mental health. There are links that associate women with twice as much mental health then as men. Likely, these women with the cock carousel mindset are not the most mentally healthy. The Uk just had JB banned. It is known to be hostile feminism. Places with feminist parades are another indicator. Not all women are villians. You have the Amy Mullins and the other professional attractive women but, they make up such a small percent of women. If you want more of an idea, read over the link where a man from Quebec is court ordered to pay child support for 3/4 children that dna proved are not his.