sorry Chief, but "she" is not actually a human being.

At least not in the stage where HB is relevant. Just as canned material is used, the "target" scale is used - for guidance and as a way to learn.

Sure the HB scale can screw up a sarge. But it is not meant to be for the approach, open, or sarge. It is used for the communities understanding of events you are narrating or questions you are inquiring.

When the rest of the world catches up with your judgement free way of thinking, I hope we won't need a scale. But sort through all the forums LR's, FR's, and questions - EVERYTHING uses the hb scale. "Ego-Based objectification" is what humans do. You can strive to not do it, but even the sharpest monk judges you.

Suppression of the thoughts, and non-existence, are two different things. Why suppress a judgment that in the long run could be really helpful for yourself and lead to positive change?

Humans can still be humans with ratings. Look at all the Quarter Backs and their slap shot scores. Bam; rating.

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Another problem with the HB scale I thought of after reading some more replies is that it is ambiguous to what it means.

For instance, purely on physical looks I would rate my current girl as a HB8.5. Based upon my personal preferences I think she is very attractive. However, I have my own unique type and probably society would rate her physical attractiveness as a HB7.5.

In other words, do we want a scale that represents attractiveness to the rater or attractiveness to society (which is basically the image that the media shoves down our throats)?

And what do we want the scale to be used for? If we want it for calibration during a sarge, then we probably need to go with a scale that represents attractiveness to society because that is how society treats the woman we intend to sarge. On the other hand if we're bragging to our friends we probably want to use a scale that represents her attractiveness to you.

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Thats exactly right Simp. And thats why i think having the overall value with the sub rating of social value and attractiveness would work. That way people understand how you see her but then also understand how society see's her.


so everyone, what do you think of the social value/attractiveness sliding scale? you think it would work?

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I don't believe that displays how society views her at all, because from your original post, you basically stated that this was how you viewed her, not your guess of how the general population views her. Those are 2 completely different and unrelated judgements. Did I not just tell the story about my really fuckin hot ex, that the other guy thought was ugly; yet she's a nude model, so I have feeling the gen-pop thinks she's decent looking, especially considering how many guys approach her all the time. You just CAN'T give an accurate rating based upon your assumptions of what the gen-pop likes, because you're gonna be wrong more than 50% of the time if you check out a bell-curve.

I personally think Madals and Chief made the best points. IF you are going to be giving some sort of rating for how you're gonna approach her, then PV works well, based upon what Chief talked about with judging other people's reactions to her and how they treat her. Otherwise, I personally like the green/yellow/red scale; if you're into her, then she's green, if you might be interested and it could go either way, then she's yellow, if you won't go there, then she's red, so it's just simple traffic lights. Some guys won't go for one 9, but will go for an 8.5 that does something he finds attractive, so the numbers mean shit, it's just a matter of whether you are interested or not. This can also just be done by saying, "The girl I was interested in" and "friend" or "obstacles".

When you say that you can read any FR and see people using the HB scale, you are making a presumption, cause I may have used it once or twice, but I usually put a disclaimer first, about not judging the girl, but saying I'm basing it upon my wing's reaction, or because someone asked me to guess what they would think she was. I know other guys have called girls by names and said which was the hot one and which was the fat one, etc. Not everyone rates girls and not everyone thinks that before you make the approach, "she is not actually a human being."

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yea, Rye...you are right about the last part. I was making a presumption that was inaccurate.

The traffic light scale sounds awesome for communicating personal interest, but then how do we include how she views herself? If you are personally placing her as a green, but she sees herself as red, how would you communicate that?

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Took me a long time to realise that a girl I was going out with didn't think she was very attractive, so it didn't make sense to her when I told her how sexy she was to me and such. Really threw my game off for a bit, cause then it becomes a matter of getting her to change her entire perception, in order to view herself as you view her.

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