Whether true or not, I would not spend the money there now or ever. It seems all like a hoax. I smell bullshit when it comes to a lot of this crap.

He also said he only does about 5 per day now(when not instructing bootcamps).
How many years ago were you out with him?

Either he's changed what he does, was talking nonsense or the student is lying.

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We spent a few days together in the summer the last time. But I've spent a lot of time with Yad over the years, many weeks in different countries from Japan to Estonia. Also as the owner of a competing company I have no incentive to protect him, or to choose to spend time with him over any other daygamer. Yad is the real deal, the only one who is, and he shouldn't be tainted by the actions of one of his former students who is dishonest. You should take my word based on first hand experience over whatever you have heard.

Gambler just a quick couple of questions.

- Why does puatraining no longer offer live bootcamps (according to your website)

- Why have so many other former pua training instructors gone onto breakaway companies such as Kezia Noble, Beckster lifestyle and now Daygame.

Are you saying you no longer have a hand in your former employees affairs or business models?

I'm not a fan of daygame.com but for what its worth I've never gotten the BS vibe from either Richard or Adam so if he says yad is legit, its prob true.

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Daygame.com is a sock puppet of puatraining and therefore Richard La Ruina.

They are all friends. Yad and Andy used to work for PUAtraining. i don't think they step on each other's toes since gambler doesn't really teach Daygame into too much depth as much as the daygame.com guys.

I think Gambler has obtained his financial freedom with his huge email list and travelling the world reaping the benefits. Fair play.

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Ok. I'm not disagreeing. I think Yad is legit, and clearly their best instructor(by far). It seems we agree on that.

If nothing else, the fact that only Yad can do this, tells me it's bad advice to flag down random women with literally no indication of possible interest.

Talking to random women who make positive eye contact and are then receptive to you, matches my own experience. Where chatting up random women does not(most of the time). Yad doing something that I know works, would seem to explain why he's the only one who's good at daygame.com. But perhaps he just has a special skill that no one else is likely to master.

That seems to offer limited utility to students in either case.

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It's kind of like anything that needs a substantial investment. You see the same thing in mountain biking, scuba diving, cars. If you ask 100 people what the best ordinary car is, 99 of them will tell you whatever they own. People want to be consistent with the choices they make especially when they front up a lot of cash. Moonies, Tories, Hare Krishnas, season ticket owners for football teams, whoever.

There was a documentary on BBC radio a couple of months ago about Daygame.com, reporter did one of their boot camps. It was a bit patronising but an OK listen, if I remember right no-one actually had any success.

I've watched the Blueprint and went through a period of using the whole method and have to say I've had more success not using it than with it. Maybe that's just me, maybe that's just because I already had a style I was comfortable in but I got blown out far more when trying to follow their model. It's got some good ideas like the way investment in the conversation changes but then, that's something I've seen in tons of other material.

Is it any different to any other PUA methodology? The basic message is the same across just about everything, the rest is just branding, doing something special that marks you out as different from all the others. Ross Jeffries is the perfect example, if you ever listen to his seminars his basic message is exactly the same as everyone else's then he adds on a layer of bullshit to differentiate himself. But it isn't the bullshit that works, it's the basics. But what does everyone focus on?

Every car has four wheels and an engine. Leather seats, a fancy stereo or climate control don't get you where your going any better. You're just paying for extras that make no difference.

I think we all want this magic pill. Do this and you always get X result. This is not the way of the world. There is a bunch of different things. The content is online and free (mostly). I tune it and I let it inspire me (if that). It is marketing to me. I have never done a boot camp. I have seen free tours only because they are free and easily accessible. I have found up until recently that the content is pretty good although, at times, a bit misogynistic. Stuff like, "bitch, slut, whore" could be left out. I can go into that low level of consciousness and thinking myself without hearing other sources. I guess, I have not fully bought in as I have seen too much frauds and bad reviews online. Watching videos has inspired me to go out and that is enough for me. I date more since I do PU and meet more girls. I take more risks but, I am not going to go over the top to win girls over or mess with their self esteem and self concept to get laid. Like me or don't. There is always more girls.

the problem is this guys join the pickup community want some sort of magic pill where they can walk up to any girl they want and in 2 minutes be making out with her and ploughing through her within 2 hours. and sadly this is the marketing of the pickup community and its products for example 'BANG 6 GIRLS A WEEK' and in a sense its not pickups fault its guys faults because thats what they want. if i tried to sell a product like my product will help you connect on an emotional level to women chances are it wont sell...but if i sold it as fuck all those bitches you want i imagine it will sell better.

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you can say I am not cool but I like Kezia. I think she is closer to the mark than Andy.

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1. Actually it wasn't a very good business. We had tons of variability in event attendance, had to maintain two apartments for residentials with live-in instructors. In America, there were big travel and accommodation costs. We had to manage the training team and all of the annoying logistics of getting people from paying a deposit to turning up on the day. So it was a business decision.

2. Beckster asked for too much money (in my opinion) when I really couldn't afford it and the company was struggling month to month to pay bills. We are still on good terms. Kezia got too big to be an employee, just like Beyonce leaving Destiny's Child lol. She can make more money on her own than she could getting an hourly rate from us. We tried to do a deal on her products but didn't agree on a % split. I helped her launch her book. Was very disappointed in her behaviour after she left, trying to badmouth us and writing 12 bad reviews for my book on launch day. Now we are fine as I think she has learned from being in my position and trying to manage egos of trainers.

In general, in 8 years, I don't think we have had very high staff turnover at all. On the business side, our employees average over 5 years in the company which is amazing.

3. No, not at all. I have no ownership or other interest in these people. Andy and I are on good terms because he is actually a VERY honest and true to his word guy, almost too much so because he gave Tom Torero way too much slack whilst Tom was taking the piss and doing lots of things like spamming dislikes on their youtube channel and trying to blackmail him. Yad is the super daygamer, bar none. Becks and I occasionally speak on SPAM. Kezia and I have emails every now and again.

What a shame. Unfortunately this casts a bad light on the whole industry and makes one wonder what other things are faked. Scammers are in all endeavors, but something like this does real damage. Too bad.

There are going to be a few a bad eggs in this dating industry...but I guess I will choose very wisely where my money goes...if I choose to spend it. I won't let this one completely ruin my appetite. But when the money starts flowing...it's all about the hustle in the end.

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