Pleasure,

All people are different, one book that is appealing to me or speaks to me may not do that for you. For you to say "I have found that inner game comes with experience in the field and very little from other sources. " Inner game has nothing to do with the field, inner game has nothing to do with PUA. You are very mistaken if you think gaining confidence approaching women is gaining confidence. Confidence is about how you feel about your self, not about how you feel about a situation. Being confident in your abilities to walk isn't being confident.

Confidence is undoubtedly gained from some experience but confidence or "inner game" is not gained by just experiences. Confidence is about self-love, self-certainty, self-assurance, etc. You do not gain self-certainty or self-assurance from just experience, but you really gain confidence from KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT AND GOING AFTER IT! I'm not talking about a few fly dames, I'm talking about your LIFE DIRECTION.

There are optimists and pessimists, they see a very similar situation and have a completely different perception. For you to say that someone will not remember the 19 rejections but the one 9 is a broad statement that holds very little value with so many humans motivated for different reasons. One personality theory deals with Four core motivators: Keep the Peace, Relationships, Power, or Fun. So one person may remember how fun fucking was, they other may remember how much 2 of the rejections out of 19 hurt.

Your description of "inner game" is outer game, it is the shell of you not the inner you. Attractive behaviors aren't confidence which makes them outer game.

Skills,

The Ego is about caring what other people believe about you. Someone with True Core Confidence doesn't give a fuck about what people think about them, they hold their own value in their mind and NO ONE else effects it.

I understand your point about rejection but I'd also like to say these guys do need to admit to themselves that they will get rejected and that they should accept it. I do not think that they should take a look at it from the stand point of oh you have to hear no that is completely false but they should realize fuck you have to fail to succeed like any great success.

Peace and Love,

Vic

I hate being this mean but if that is your contribution to this thread on reading books than you should probably stop recommending books immediately (its not that good of a book man, it was so good I forgot I even read it, meaning it was a meaningless book in my history of knowledgel). It clearly states on the thread title Best books are not PUA books... Which I'd agree with. The few PUA books I've read have taught me nothing in comparison to all the other books that taught me why that behavior works.

Peace and Love

Vic

what about books that arent dubbed as 'inner game books' that you are reading simply under the belief that you will get better with girls...

What about non-fiction books you can read to learn more, become smarter, wiser, have a greater knowledge on a wide variety of interesting conversation topics.

screw the 'inner game books.' Half of them are just providing you with momentary delusion confidence in my opinion... Cashing in on people like you guys looking for a quick fix 'how to be confident in 8 simple steps', although I bet you dont buy them anyway

Just throwing some names off the top of my head

Richard Dawkins
Daniel Kahneman
Freakonomics
The Information

etc etc etc

Books on psychology, economics, history, science, behavioural sciences... An interest in these sort of books will make you into a much more interesting and educated person.

learn to read, read to learn

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To improve one's inner game, there are three components. Affect, Behavior, and Cognition (ABCs). To achieve lasting change, you have to tackle all three. Because:

The way you feel effects behavior.
The behavior effects how you feel.
What you think effects feeling.
How you feel effects behavior.
etc, etc

These books are usually all Cognition. People feel more confident, like you say. But I've been around here long enough to see that suddenly those people are depressed again a few months later, saying they were lying to themselves.
So don't be so quick to dismiss the books. You are correct they aren't needed, but they can help. But as part of a broader attempt -- reading the book isn't going to change a whole lot, unless a person has a really bad cognition aspect but OK behaviors and affect. But generally people are bad in all the areas.

+0.5

To improve one's inner game, there are three components. Affect, Behavior, and Cognition (ABCs). To achieve lasting change, you have to tackle all three. Because:

The way you feel effects behavior.
The behavior effects how you feel.
What you think effects feeling.
How you feel effects behavior.
etc, etc

These books are usually all Cognition. People feel more confident, like you say. But I've been around here long enough to see that suddenly those people are depressed again a few months later, saying they were lying to themselves.
So don't be so quick to dismiss the books. You are correct they aren't needed, but they can help. But as part of a broader attempt -- reading the book isn't going to change a whole lot, unless a person has a really bad cognition aspect but OK behaviors and affect. But generally people are bad in all the areas.

+0.5

To improve one's inner game, there are three components. Affect, Behavior, and Cognition (ABCs). To achieve lasting change, you have to tackle all three. Because:

The way you feel effects behavior.
The behavior effects how you feel.
What you think effects feeling.
How you feel effects behavior.
etc, etc

These books are usually all Cognition. People feel more confident, like you say. But I've been around here long enough to see that suddenly those people are depressed again a few months later, saying they were lying to themselves.
So don't be so quick to dismiss the books. You are correct they aren't needed, but they can help. But as part of a broader attempt -- reading the book isn't going to change a whole lot, unless a person has a really bad cognition aspect but OK behaviors and affect. But generally people are bad in all the areas.

Best seduction related books:

"Models" - Mark Manson
"Complete Game System" - 60YearsOfChallenge

As far as picking up women is concerned, no one really needs any books other than those two.

Other books:

"No More Mr. Nice Guy" Is pretty damn good.

As for inner game, the solution you confidence, happiness, and success isn't really found in any book, its found in life. Go live it.