OMG I think I have a solution. SOMETHING DIFFERENT

OK... so you'll have to try it a few times to see if it works. You should try it with solo girls first, then move to pairs... Some girls it won't work on I will tell you right now, but the ones it doesn't work with are going to be narcissistic bitches anyways. If it doesn't work with most girls then toss it aside, but please, give it a try.... for my sake, I just spent almost an hour thinking about this and writing it.

It's going to take a little acting on your part in a way, but at the same time it will be natural to you because it is something that you can identify with... and the more you identify with it the better, more genuine it will be.

So seeing as how you really are confident your going to have to ACT like a weak little boy for a FEW moments IF your stuttering comes out.

Here's the scenario: You walk up to girls: you have a few good lines if any before you stutter: when you start stuttering you stop and you show your venerability by addressing the stuttering. but make it a line that puts the ball in their court to either 1. say it's okay.. and which will make them feel bad if they hold it against you or #2 ask you questions about it which you can then assure them that it's okay and show your confidence about how you don't let it get to you.

For example: I apologize, I've had a stuttering problem since i was four . (period. that's it, let them do the talking after that. But, make sure to add venerability and good looks to it otherwise they won't be interested)

IF they respond to you quicky turn it around to how confident you are by: telling them how you don't let it get to you or hold you back from anything, which WILL make you very interesting

If you haven't read the art of seduction just go to the bookstore and flip through it to:
A. The 18 victims ; the rescuer
B. step #2 create a false sense of security
C. step #13 disarm though strategic weakness and venerability

From there you should be able to move on with the set with actually using your disability as a strength.

BTW... ka you look hot ; )

Interesting suggestion... Only problem is I see this approach making him look like a little bitch. Acting like a victim, and then apologizing for his disability... if he was in a wheelchair would you have him say "I'm sorry, I can't use my legs... I hope you don't mind."

Who is "The Art of Seduction" by I'm wondering? Because I'm sorry to say but from looking at those couple of the however many steps... It looks like it was either writtin for women trying to get men... (where there is a reversal in S and R value systems, and in Logical vs emotional thinking). Lol at least I'm hoping this was intended for women... there has been enough misinforming dating advice passed to men through the media.

Not that I don't see where your coming from... But as a man you want to be confidently in the lead with her pursuing you.

Okay here it comes, the NLP trick i use
I use this when i blush, or shake or something.

Go to the toilet or somewhere quiet. when you noticed ya stutter.

-Close your eyes.
- Picture you, in the social gathering. See everybody whos there.
- Look at yourself from a the picture in your mind.
- Just look at your talking to everybody confidently and without stuttering.
- Now Make the picture real big. and the confident you. talking to everybody without stuttering.
- Open your eyes, and make a sound or just smile big
- Now your brains know you like this powerful you

This works usually very good, ofc theres a chance your still stutter abit,
but keep rework it. till your the men !

Btw, personal tip don't think bad at yourself.

First of all why would you have to address the fact that your in a wheelchair.... unless the person is blind? Stuttering on the other hand can be misinterpreted, that's why you must address it so you can get past it. How you address it is key though. Venerability is key. you don't want to look like your TRYING to be socially strong when what you can't help doing is going to make you socially, not physically disabled.

The art of seduction is by Robert Greene, the one of the best strategists of our generation and also one of the most important writters. His other books are the 48 laws of power and the 33 stratagies of War, which I could also show you where he shows how to turn weakness into strength.

Haven't you ever heard how seduction is OFTEN counter intuitive? well your instincts are telling you to look strong, but I'm going to tell you, and your experiences are going to tell you that people don't like someone who can't admit their weaknesses. Are you attracted to a girl that has trouble admitting to her faults? Or are you more attracted to a girl who has faults that you can help her with, a girl that you can be the hero with?

We all mst choose our battles, or be prepared to lose the ones we can't win. These are basics that you can find in any strategy book. If your playing a video game and there's this one zone that has a shit ton of monsters that you would in no way be able to defeat, the strategy is to find a way to sneak around them... otherwise you die.

If you are going to put this in seduction terms, there are going to be a FEW things that are weaknesses of yours that you will be able to turn into strengths. However, it is true that if you show TOO MUCH weakness... you will in fact become weak. So the method here is to choose your battles... in this case, an incurable stuttering problem is one that your not going to be able to make look strong.... so don't try. instead, use our womanly maternal instincts against us. We WILL want to baby you and comfort you.... and you do know what babies get to do right?

To put this in terms of the one that's in the wheelchair, you wouldn't want to go out and TRY to look like you can play football or rugby... things that you obviously can't do. Your going to want to do the things you can do like wheelchair basket balls and seek comfort for the fat that there are things that you can't do.

We can put this in all kind of terms... for example: you can't seem to get out of your moms house, or you can't seem to figure out how to make your boss happy.

not only does it shows character when your able to admit defeat, but you can position yourself to let someone feel like a good person for not letting your disbilities get in the way of liking you... and perhas even likeing you more because you give them a hero complex... whih like I said in my first post... if your not a narssicistic asshole, you will have a hero complex.... it's incredibly seductive for someone to feel like they are nurturing you... as long as of course, they actually like you for other reasons too.

And just to point out that the art of seduction is BY FAR not for pussies i will give you the steps in order:

1. Choose the right victim
2. Create a false sense of security, approach indirectly
3. Send mixed signals
4. Appear to be the object of desire - create triangles
5. Create a need - stir anxiety and discontent
6. Master the art of insinuation
7. Enter their spirit
8. Create temptation
9. Keep them in suspense - What comes next?
10. Use the demonic power of words to sow confusion
11. Pay attention to detail
12. Poeticize your presence
13. Disarm through STRATEGIC weakness and venerability
14. Confuse desire and reality
15. Isolate the victim
16. Prove yourself
17. Effect a regression
18. Stir up the transgressive and taboo
19. Use spiritual lures
20. mix pleasure with pain
21. Give them space to fall - the pursuer is pursued
22. Use Physical lures
23. Master the art of the bold move
24. Beware of the after affects

I appologize if what I suggested seemed imasculate, but it is actually a strategic ploy often used in warfare. And as Mr. Greene says: Seduction is warfare for delicate times.

Please remember... it's about the EFFECT you have on people that is what entices them. Please, do not come off as a self-righteous fuck face by trying to come off as so strong you have no weaknesses... especially one that makes you SEEM socially weak... what a better opportunity to use the trojan horse tactic???

We an also then use this mix of confidence and weakness (because like I said... you MUST quickly replace the flash of weakness with confidence)... it's what we call sending mixed signals. You show signs of of thinking or acting one way then showing doing the exact opposite. It gives us a puzzle to figure out, a Challenge to understand you... it's what gives you dimension and makes you seem interesting.

This tactic that I have shown you works on so many different levels I can't tell you in this post cause my hands are getting tired and I want to go and eat... so if there are any more questions as to why this strategy WILL work for someone who can't control their stuttering please post and I'll reply to it after a good meal and some time on the treadmill

Namaste,
Erin

IT's not about claiming your something your not... it's about not seeing your 'faults' as vulnerabilities.

If you are direct and unapoligetic about your disability, then you well convey confidence and it is no longer a weakness... but the interaction moves into your strength, your confidence which far over-shadows any disability.

And I didn't mean that the Art of Seduction was for pussies... I ment it was for women, trying to attract men... Unless the steps are much different in detail then thier titles... then this must have been intended for that.

22 steps? I'm sorry but I 3 that where relevent... and one more that would be if we changed it from "Appear to be the object of desire" to "be the object of desire"

I haven't read the book so I can't claim that it has no merit, as I'm sure it probably does have some decent advice... but just the wording... victims and everything, looks like crap to me... And it's so much esier then all that crap.

Be confident, passionate, and open... This other strategy seems like indirect game for HB6-8's... which is honestly kind of pussy, you shouldn't need to use tricks to get any girl... let alone girls who are only above average.

But to each thier own, if this method works for you then great! Simply because I disagree with it whole heartedly doesn't make it wrong... just different from my way.

Understandable... I think what it does come down to is the way that you look at things.

The book I am referring to is HIGHLY amoral and takes the insidious approach to seduction. It's definately playing dirty when you play by the rules of this book.

For example: the whole point is that you AREN'T venerable... you just make yourself look that way for a few seconds to get you past the initial turn off of talking to someone who stutters. And let's just say that you aren't yet the object of desire... you can just make it look that way and have a similar, yet not as profound effect.... yet I'm telling you the effect is still there. it may not be a reality to everyone else, but if you can make it a reality to her... even if it is just an illusion... the effect is still present. It's kind of like a magic trick. An illusion.

But the point is that it works. Now it may not work as well... especially if you get caught talking about how you've disillusioned her or not actually being what you have made yourself appear to be... but even then if you do get caught it could actually make them like you more... kind of like getting caught being a pick up artist by the girl your trying to hook up with.

I think the best thing to do before criticizing the approach I have suggested is to just let him try it and then report back to us how it worked. Don't you think that's fair? If it doesn't work then we've all learned a lesson : )

Namaste!

<3 Erin

Alrgith there is no secret that your good at this but what for do you game girls?

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I'm more than happy to answer... but could you rephrase the question? I didn't quite understand...

alright I'll reword for a TEXan to understand:

Your a nice girl and you know this stuff like the back of your hand, but why? are you using this stuff on women?

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Erin would you like to have someone try to attract you this way?

By playing the "I'm vulnerable come save me" card

Then prettending to be the object of desire...even though he knew he wasn't, which WILL be portayed with incongruent bodylanguage.

I've never once had a problem with girls knowing I'm a pickup artist... in fact there is a girl sitting next to me on my couch as I type this, who is more then aware of that... and has been since before I ever hooked up with her.

Personally there is no way I could advise him to try this even once... I'm sorry but why on earth would you try to trick someone, with a trick you know is less effective then the truth? It seems exceptionally counter productive. Perhaps if he had zero confidence he would require tricks to get laid... but he has confidence, he just didn't yet understand how to show his stutter as a positive.

I am assuming your a female, so I will ask again.

Would you preffer to be tricked? Or to be attracted?


The way so many teach thier students to trick women into sleeping with them is what give those of us who don't a bad name... and sadly if they would just be themselves, but in a confident, passionate powerfull way... they would be 10x more effective without the tricks, or the bad reputation.

A 'Guru' once said "Think of the way you would like your interactions to be if sex was a givin." If you do that and act accordingly with confidence and passion, then sex will in fact simply be a givin.

Well, actually, I'm from Hawaii... I just moved to Texas. The answer to why is a deep one... it actually does have spiritual roots. Before I decided to learn the ins and outs of social interaction- on all levels, I was actually a student of enlightenment. I've read heavily into almost every major spiritual philosophy just to find a common path to what the masters have called enlightenment. but anyways that's not the point, the point is that it's a long ass story... but if your smart you can kind of see where I'm going with it.

Like I said in another post My next project is to seduce the HB9 16 year old girls at my moms church into making out with me someday. : ) So yeah, I'm easing into it... the dynamics within me on that subject are somewhat intricate though.

Erin welcome to the forums btw. While i think your idea holds some weight and has good solid parts to it, there is a problem with it.

There is a very similar topic to this that a guy wrote about having a limp (and cane). The way i see it, it is no different then a lisp, stutter, wheelchair, or mental disorder.

Why should these people be sorry for it, or pretend to be?

It is a part of them, and most likely always will be. Imagine going through life apologizing to every single person you speak with for something thats not only a part of you, but out of your control.

Do you apologize to people for being (insert physical charateristic here)?

Of course not.

Im not saying hide it, in most cases thatd be a lost cause anyway. I dont beleive in covering parts of yourself up. It doesnt mean you shouldnt try to change them, but part of change is acceptance.

I agree with Doc and a few others on this one, if put on the spot before having a chance to mention it yourself (in the form of a DHV story or C&F line), simply and confidently say "Yes, i did stutter." Then move on with your story and or convo. Maybe at that point start your DHV story.

David D has a student whos not only in a wheelchar but is by all means a very small person. One of his favorite things to do is to roll in front of a women in a crowded bar while shes headed to the bar for a drink. Then in a airey/alouf way ask, "O, were you trying to get threw here?". When the woemn replies he goes, 'O...O, ok. Well you cant.".

See he makes light of the situation, shes got eyes and knows what he is physically like. He shows a sense of humor and a sense of confidence all at the same time, essentially making fun of himself while at the same time making it out like its not a big deal.

"Yea i stuttered, just means you get to listen to what i have to say more then once. Some people charge extra to repeat themselves, with me its free."

"Yea i stuttered, you looked like you didnt get it the first time around, so i repeated it on the fly "

"Nope, i dont stu-stu-stutt-tter...thats just the voice in your head trying to talk over me." (yes purposely stutter on stutter)

Of course i havnt tried the above but thats what i can come up with as C&F responses.

Hope this helps.

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"Be the same, only better."

Oh my f-ing lord, that's the best way. Make light of it joke about it a little... but in a way that shows how confident you are.

But seriously though you do have to address if it's dampering your game because unlike a wheelchair or a limp which is an obvious physical condition, this is a mental disability similar to tourettes that if a person does not know that it's not controlable, they could think that your being weird. I haven't met anyone that I think is being weird by being in a wheelchair or having a limp. Point is if someone keeps saying fuck all the time like some people with tourettes do, it helps to know that your not the cause of it... that it's a tic that you cannot control. Physical disabilities don't interfere with the way you talk, so they can be treated differently in social situations. It's a slight nuance to you, to me a big one, but nevertheless, it is there.

But anyhow, that is a great solution ka!

There's no reason though why you can't combine the two... in fact once again... that would add dimension anyhow, I think you just have to read the art of seduction to get a better idea of where I'm coming from. So seriously, there's no point in arguing this with me unless you've read the book. OK? It's kind of like saying you can't pick up girls by applying psychological tactics like negs cause it'll make you look like an asshole... if you haven't read The Game then shut the hell up! lol... i'm not telling you to shut the hell up... but you get where i'm coming from now!

AND seriously, let the kid try this shit out before we knock on each others technique.. let him tell us what works and what doesn't don't you think? Like I said before... we can all learn something if this guy just goes out there and helps us all out by trying what it is we've said and letting us know right?

Namaste

There is a saying, "Advice is free, because its worthless."

The best way to handle advice is to get multiple opinions and veiw points, combine the suggestions, throw in your judgement of whats in your own best intrest, and then come to a conclusion.

Hopefully our man does what he feels is right and it gives him the best outcome. Itd be even more awsome if he came back and told us how he handled it and what happened
Are you trying to suggest i dont read Missy? It was very presumptious of you to assume i have not read it. Im not sure whether i should be upset with you or go read it now

I didnt grace your remark on my looks the first time around with a comment...however you felt compelled to mention it a second time. I guess its time for the truth to come out, thats not really me, im the lil guy in the wheelchair i mentioned. Ill still consider that a good IOI.

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"Be the same, only better."

hey man i stuttert too bro but listen...

i tohught it would never go away and shit

but then one day when i was drunk and another when i was stoned i realized i was speaking more flent then Mystery!!

that opened my mind and i ralized its not a disorder or a problem its just sumthing i got use too... i just have to stop thinking adn "Forget"about it u know??

and now i go into sets and stuttert here and there.
So what?

i stutered, tahts how i am. U dun like me? fine fuk u

thats how i think and u know what? it helped alot


So what if u stuter

just do it, dont be soft