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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:46 pm 
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We've had a nice debate about whether or not to drink in the field, but what I really want to know is, what do you do when you encounter the group described above??? I'm thinking the solution is to leave the venue and go elsewhere.

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not drinking at a bar or club or any party at night where everyone else is drinking will make you look like a loser... your a dumb ass if you can't control your self when you are drinking...just don't ever get DRUNK get a buzz going or something.. i don't think it will hurt your game unless you let it..


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I agree with kvee for the most part. I enjoy drinking but getting drunk is another. I rarely find myself out of control unless I've messing with tequila shots.

That said, about the only way I can match the energy level of a loud group of drunks is if I start taking tequila shots myself. I think the new M.O. for dealing with these sorts is to leave the venue and find another bar or something. There's just something about a group, especially a mixed set, where the guys are being realy loud and cocky...it's like they're the cool group that everyone in the place is watching.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:46 pm 
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Every time I go out to the bars, what I've found is, depending on the environment, it can be really weird being the sober guy. It TOTALLY depends on the social environment though.

For example, if I'm at a bar with relatively non-loud music, the kind where conversation is easy without the need to yell, as long as there isn't a group of drunk guys yelling and carrying on, I'm ok being totally sober or only having a beer or two. I find that 2 to 3 beers is good for my conversation. It somehow lowers inhibitions, it makes opening sets easier. It's a good tool if used properly. However, too much can really hurt your game (and your weight, liver, kidneys, job, DWI's etc).

However, if I'm at a bar where there's a mixed set with a group of very loud drunk guys carrying on and generally being the center of attention, I HATE being totally sober in that environment. It's like, if you try to open their set, even though there are males in the set, unless you REALLY have something in common with one of them and it comes up quickly after opening, you are pretty much left standing there being the weirdo with the low energy level who wants to be a part of their group. But if this drunk, loud mixed set is in the bar, all other sets are low value, including you. You need to be a part of this group because these guys are the alpha males in this place. They're the ones who aren't afraid of attention and women are drawn to that, especially if this is a mixed set.

There's a certain energy level that exists within each set. You always want to bring a slightly higher energy level to any set you open. But not too much higher. Just slightly higher. So if I'm sober (or close to it), it's tough to open sets in a place where there's a group of guys being louder than shit and carrying on, having a great time. If you want to open their set, you need a slightly higher energy level than what they're already at...impossible (for me) if sober.

I sarge alone most of the time and approaching the drunk, loud guys when you're sober (or close to it) has never really worked very well. But if you approach and then buy a round of Patron shots, for example, you can often times become a part of the group...your energy level increases too and you're buying so they like you. But if you stay sober, there's almost no way to converse with them in normal conversation. They're too drunk to carry conversation. They're yelling, high fiving, and just carrying on, having a good time.

So what do other PUA's do in regards to alcohol? A beer or two? None? Only heavy drinking when you encounter the set described above? What's the advice on alcohol?
Alright, let's see if we can dive in and answer your question. Personally, I don't drink at all. And, I've been in a group of me and 4 girls, and of course other guys trying to get in because I'm with 4 girls. I dance, I have fun, I flirt, I neg, blah blah blah. And by the time the night is done, I have been right in there with them on everything, lead, been the alpha, everything, and because of how much I've been involved, some people thought that I had been drinking, but I didn't drink at all. They couldn't believe it. You don't have to drink to bring value to yourself or your set. And, if a mixed set is being loud and obnoxious, that's not bringing them higher value either. And, if the girls want that stuff, then maybe those girls aren't high value.

If you can't enter into a convo with then because they are drunk and don't know what they are saying, what makes you think you can enter into a convo with them if YOU'RE drunk? Then, you won't know what's being said either, so what different does it make? All you have to do is get into whatever's going on. You can have fun w/o being drunk. Also, you should take the lead and be the center of the group, instead of just following what they are doing. Then, you have the value and the girls want you, not the other guys.

So, why is it impossible for you to have a higher energy level if you're sober?

Well, anyway, this is my input on this. I don't drink, but I'm still a high energy guy.


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I agree fully with L.A. Tripp. Great post. All drinking does is make you sloppy. some claim its bridge over approach anxiety but it isnt, you slur, you spit and you smell when you drink. one or two is ok to be a social drinker but getting drunk and trying to PU just dont go together.
and drugs...
i cant find a reason as to why they are used.


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I would say that if you plan to drink heavily, or do drugs, do not even think of trying to run game. The end result usually is not desirable. I like to drink wine/beer/liquor for the taste, not for the drunk. When I start smoking pot again, I will do it because it feels good. When you are running game you need to be able to make good decisions and react to what the girl is doing. Tucker Max aside, most people can't do it while under the influence. Drink and/or do drugs if you want, just don't sarge when you do.


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