There will always be a small percent of guys that get the majority of girls. That's the way that nature works right there and you're right, 10 years from now that wont be very different.

Game should be the development of becoming one of those guys. Obviously, only a small percent will actually succeed in that too if they put in enough effort and have the right guidelines to do so. Ten years ago those guidelines came from the likes of Mystery and the rest of the other bellends that were pushing their pseudo theories out there that might have appealed to a virgin geek sat in his bedroom who found his material whilst he was on a break from battling Pokemon, but didn't actually have much merit in the real world because they pick up was being taught by a load of numpties who pretty evidently didn't have enough real time experience connecting and being with the opposite sex.

Now the community has developed to the point where there are actually a few guys who have this experience and have added new ideas and reasons for game, pick up and seduction to the mix. Things have progressed immensely. There are actually guys who do get laid and do give solid advice, a lot more new material has been published since then that is actually legitimate and can help guys out in achieving their goals rather than being detrimental. I don't even think that natural game is even properly understood by most of the community at this point.It is a very misconstrued concept. Some companies claim they're teaching natural game but they're just teaching a re-hashed version of the old stuff, in some ways making it worse. Real game is about living a real players lifestyle. The guys in the game weren't doing this, they were living like children and as is pretty clear, weren't really emotionally centered.

That is not the lifestyle that I am on about. But game is a lifestyle choice. You think that you can live the game lifestyle if you're a guy in his late 30's who has two kids and a wife? You think you can pull smoking hot babes if you let yourself go for 10 years and don't stay socially active or spend any time in romantic company of women? You think you can get hot girls if you're working in subway serving sandwiches living in your mothers basement at 26? Game is about being a fucking player. It is about being a true ladies man. It is about being a boss and smashing the shit out of life. It is about independence, developing yourself continuously in every aspect of your life and spending time with high quality women.

There may still be a lot of shit. But there is definitely better material that has been put out by guys who have legitimate advice since the game was released. Even if it is a small one, that for me, is an advancement in the community.

And I also agree, most guys don't do daytime pick up properly either and a lot of wuss's who want to shy from the club think it's an easy way out. But there's no doubt that just the idea of it gives so much freedom and more potential for meeting girls for the guys who know what they're doing and can maximize results with it.
That's good too hear. But no, that is not what the community is important for. And no, sex doesn't just happen as a bi-product of leaving your room for most guys. There is a certain mindset that needs to be developed for actual success with women (your inner game). Sometimes using a certain type of opener rather than the other is more productive than another and there is an entire pick up skill-set you can develop. You can also develop your lifestyle so it increases your attractiveness and give you the right circumstances and logistics to be meeting the type of women that you want and spending time with them.
Yeah, so his book is not good at all for anybody looking to get into game then. If now he's finally found the one for him, which is completely against game principle. His work is a bunch of contradictions aimed at a target market of frustrated guys on the internet to buy his products. He did still teach pick up after it too though, his style life academy is still up and he released countless DVD's trying to showcase pick up techniques. Why would you teach something that you'd seen make guys supposedly suicidal and you were now preaching the opposite? you see, that is nothing but hypocritical.

Haha! Exactly, the pick up techniques that are employed more today are not ones that are going to make you feel suicidal after you've used them. That is advancement...

My only point was that the stuff in the game is obviously a load of bollox to guys who actually get what real game is. And that there are a lot more guys who see through the bullshit and have put better ideas forward in the community since then.

What you're doing is making a judgement call that back then the guys who were teaching were speaking without real world experience, but NOW, the guys teaching have real world experience. Back then, the theories made sense to the guys listening. As the new stuff makes sense to the guys today. What you're doing is like looking at clothes from the 80's and saying today they look like shit, we dress better today. But at the time, the clothing was in style. Yes, X new guru sounds good. Yes, he makes sense. But back in 2006, Mystery made sense. Brad P made sense. The same guys looked at Mystery and thought, man this guy is legit...they look at Jason Capital and say this guy is legit.

Can I say that Jason, or X guru today is legit? No. And thats the problem with PU today and years ago. Guys are too hung up on dogma and believing someone's words over what the results they're getting. Just because a guy gets on a stage or on a forum and says some stuff that sounds good and makes sense, guys attach that he must be legit. Ive met great posters, Ive met "legit" coaches. Maybe 1 or 2 were actually good, but the vast majority were terrible to average at best. The criteria for good legitimate advice, should be the that the advice gets results. Ive met way too many guys who are preaching new stuff like Mode 1, or Corey Wayne or whoever, and they havent gotten laid. Yet they continue, because "it makes sense" and "sounds" legit. Ive said this repeatedly about my own advice, dont think i'm legit because you like what I write. Use the advice and see if it works. Thats what matters.
Why is that good to hear? If I were living a good life, getting laid and being a boss as you say, would it matter whether I'm an MM guy? PU is way to dividing with respect to what school someone follows. All that matters is the results you're getting and your happiness with them. Tbh, if right now I were to hit up the MM guys in my city to hang out, I can expect a good time, they're getting laid and a big smile on their face. If I hit up the guys who do the new stuff, I can guarantee they're down for daygame, no girls in the life and sad but trying to smile. Just my experience, but MM guys I've met, are way better and happier than the new school guys.
See, I can say he's a hypocrite, which I did in the thread announcing his new book a while back. But the book itself is not. Its a story and it ended.
A guy doesnt become suicidal from PU because he uses canned openers or wears some crazy clothes. Not getting success after a ton of work, can lead to depression. Seeking women as a source of validation and living an unbalanced life can lead to depression. The old school wasnt focused on balance, at least, not enough balance. The newer stuff talks about it which is good I agree. But, even then its a passing comment or 2. Even your definitions of game lifestyle, leave out much that would prevent depression.

I'm just being honest. I dont see newbies being better than years ago. Theres alot of advice I agree with, but the majority of the community has not changed. Newbies will always seek women as validation, ignore making friends and being social unless it gets them laid, because thats just the nature of most newbies.

To be honest mate it sounds as though me and you are on a similar page. I am not by any means saying that the majority of the community isn't teaching bullshit or that now the entire community gets laid as a result. Far from it... from what I can gather the majority of the community is still speaking without experience, and to a guy who has a decent amount of experience with girls and can see through the bullshit it's pretty evident that the coaches mentioned there are chatting out of there assholes, especially Corey fucking Wayne, lmao.

In some ways most of the guru's remind me of religious nuts who just like making YouTube videos. I don't for one moment buy into all the bullshit of a new wave of charlatans. Also, I havn't really seen majority of guys who do come in to the community actually getting good. A lot of newbs turn up and post a report or two and then disappear only to come back a year later without one bit of progress. Guys post on forums like they know everything, when really all they are doing is repeating what X guru said. There are guys in my city that are still doing the same thing they were when I first discovered the community three years ago, and they are not getting results, it's pretty sad to see.

My point was that even though this is the case, I do believe that a small part of the community has progressed. I can definitely tell that a few of the posters on this forum are posting from experience. There have been small golden pieces that have been put forward by guys who actually do get success. Game, pick up and seduction is actually great, if you do it wisely. There are game concepts that definitely have merit in the real world and can really help a guy out in understanding the opposite sex. There are certain action steps a guy can take to continuously better himself. There are great pick up techniques that a guy can learn so that when he see's a girl he likes, he can make his moves and know his way to seducing her, the same way a guitarist would learn the chords to a song and then be able to play them automatically after a certain amount of practice.

I do think that as the years have gone by, the community has attracted more guys have really used game and pick up to their advantage. I think that there are a small handful of coaches who have focused on trying things out before they actually start to speak about the results their method gets (although it really is a small handful). They are no doubt far outweighed by people just chatting shit and acting like clowns, but I do think that there is a part of the community that has progressed and I think that it would be stupid to say that there haven't been some brilliant ideas that have been put forward in recent years.

I am all for a good standard of game and pick up, I don't reject that the majority of the community is actually at a poor standard at the moment if you were too really look at all the material that is put out, but I do see progression from a few guys. When I was addressing OP in saying that the community has evolved a lot since then, what I was really getting at is to not take that book as a map to developing his own game. His first post says that what he gained from it was 'be willing to spend 7 hours with a girl before closing' which is very much detrimental to anybody learning game imo. There is far better advice that you can get in the area of picking up girls that has come about more recently than that. I didn't actually refer anything, and I would never refer any of the coaches you mentioned, I just said that things have progressed since then in pick up to say there are better ideas about now than what you will find in the game.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just speaking from my own experience and things have only progressed in terms of what I've learnt in the last three years lol.. I was just trying to be positive about game and pick up.
Once again I can't disagree with you about 'all that matters is the results you're getting and your happiness with them'. I do find it hard to believe that every old school MM guy in your city is happy and getting laid consistently whilst all the daygamers that try to apply any new companies teachings are all unhappy. I don't not believe you that they are not getting laid though haha.

I guess it's because personally, every guy I've met who has been a fan of MM has always been a bit of a retard stuck in a mental masturbation frenzy. I have read his material and although there are a few good subject matters it covers (attraction, connection, trust obviously cannot be denied as elements of seduction), the way that it covers them is just ridiculous and the actual method itself may look good on paper to a guy who is of a fair level of intelligence. But in real life I have found that approaching and taking a women to bed just genuinely doesn't work in that way.

If you know guys that are getting laid through using it then all power to them. Although I do find it a little hard to believe.
Your first post was I don't see what the problem is with 'the game'. I do get that it was a story, and I do get your point that it is not a manual. The book itself is not a manual, but it served as a marketing tool to sell his further products which were manuals. The story ended, but Strauss's work didn't. He followed it up with 'the rules of the game', he brought his style life academy into things. I would be all for it if the content was actually of value. But as I've already said, to anybody who knows there shit it's just all mental masturbation. If he had really put everything behind him and didn't further agree with it, then why would he go on to teach game afterwards? you see it just doesn't make sense and as you know too it is all hypocritical. That is the reason I don't like the game or any of Strauss's work.

But I really do get your point... it's only a story and not to be taken at face value, and I completely agree with you on that. As I said... the community has progressed since then, if you actually get me now? lol
I think I'd get depressed and think about commiting fucking suicide if I had to resort to dressing and acting like that lmao.

Like I've said, I see it as a bachelor/player lifestyle. I actually never really chose to be this way, my experiences with girls from aged sixteen onwards and the way that girls have been with me for my entire life have molded me into the type of guy that I am.

Now I use game consciously as a way to continually develop myself in every area of my life... The act of pick up and seduction is just a part of the game lifestyle for me. If that makes sense to you?

I'm not saying that it is for everyone or that some guys wouldn't get depressed living the lifestyle that I do, but it fits me and my personality perfectly.