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Do you use pivots in your sarges?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:36 am 
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This is how I usually ease my pivots into it pickup: don't give them everything at once.

The idea of a pickup artist is initially almost always offensive to a woman. Frequently it comes off as skeevy, and I see girls say 'what kind of women does this stuff work on?' or 'it would not work on me!'. Well hang on... what exactly wouldn't work on you? I haven't mentioned a single concept or technique yet! But it would be difficult to explain pickup to them once they have a negative attitude towards it. If someone has made up their mind about an idea, it is usually next to impossible to convince them otherwise.

So, to make it easier on myself, I always remark I study body language, evolutionary psychology and such. I spend a lot of time wondering how the female brain works. Then I go into the fact that all this knowledge has helped me with women. They always take it well, but if they aren't completely enthusiastic, I cut it off and have normal conversation. She's not ready to hear the rest today, it may have to wait until...


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I mention some of the routines I do. I always get an 'awww... that is sooooo sweet' when I tell them I leave a piece of jewellery with a girl I closed to remind her of our adventure together... until we meet again and I take the necklace/ring back. You know, the usual shit. Run the cube, best friends test - tell your potential pivot something about herself. Kinda sarge her - by now she has an idea of what you're up to and usually doesn't view you as a potential partner. After all, what girls see themselves in a serious relationship with a professional seducer? OK, the really cool ones, fair enough. If you find one of those - you lucky fucker, I envy you!

Then a simple move - tell them about Christian Carter's 'Catch him and keep him'. Get that book - it's not amazing, but they lay-dees love it. It's a psychological thing as well - you do them a favor, and they feel a sense of obligation to return it - that's Robert Cialdini applied.

Once she gets really intrigued, I mention my wings as "the guys I'm learning from" (this is true, my wings always help me out with awesome ideas). The potential pivot always ends up extremely interested and wants to go out to see this shit work first-hand. I mention that I could use her help while sarging. I talk about the Coolidge experiment and social proof: "you know, if I hang out at the bar next to a good looking girl, I'm no longer the creepy dude who's there on his own looking to score". Trust me, the girls will always take it as a compliment. Then...Voila!

Congratulations, you got yourself a committed, educated pivot. If she has fun the first night, she might be interested in helping you out again.

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let me break this down.

you go up to a woman
you want her to help you to fuck another woman (you really shouldn't use PUA technqiues to find LTR)
woman agree to help you find another woman to fuck.

Yeah, if I am a bitch, I'll have issue with that.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:59 am 
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Nah, my pivots are usually women I've known for a bit. You can utilise failed sarges if you want - for example those which ended up in the friend zone.
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you really shouldn't use PUA technqiues to find LTR
Any insight into why?

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let me break this down.

you go up to a woman
you want her to help you to fuck another woman (you really shouldn't use PUA technqiues to find LTR)
woman agree to help you find another woman to fuck.

Yeah, if I am a bitch, I'll have issue with that.
Man! And i thought i was crazy.

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Great post man!
Lot's of good pointers, like don't go into details the first day, and make her volunteer herself to come along.

I'm working on one right now, I'll PM you for help if I need to.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:37 pm 
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To reiterate - my pivots are all women I've known for a while. I don't think it is possible to sarge yourself a pivot in one night, it takes more work. There was a scientific experiment where the scientist placed a frog on a tile. If the tile was heated up too quickly, the frog would simply leap off. But if it was heated up gradually, the frog remained still, until it eventually cooked. It is a nice metaphor for what you're doing here; it's also completely true.

Give the information in small portions, and if she isn't enthusiastic about it, just stop. If you get a simple 'ok', that isn't good enough. She is not ready to hear more. Leave her some time to think about it and give her more on a day 2.

Once she's used to the idea, you can start teaching her about whatever methods you use, maybe instruct her how to tell DHV stories about you - they can be a bit more direct, since they're not coming from you or a male wing.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:12 pm 
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Hey ace_of_spades,

Great Post!

I did post this by itself before, but it may be better of here and it is related to this anyways:

I was thinking that if I try to DHV with a pivot the more similar the pivot is to the chicks I'm trying to game the more effectve the technique becomes -what do you think?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:46 pm 
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LuvBites,

It's an definitely an interesting thought and something I'll watch out for when I'm in the field.

Obviously there's a lot of stuff happening there. Overall though, I think it's the status of the pivot that matters most. Let's say you're sarging an actress - if your pivot happens to be in the production business (theatrical or cinematic, doesnt matter), I would expect it to be more of a DHV than if the pivot were, say, a psychologist. But does it come from the fact that they are more similar, or from the fact that producers have a higher status (with most people) than psychologists?

Overall, I don't think it matters, so long as she brings you value and shows you're preselected. It also enables you to work the jealousy plots ('why is he talking to her instead of me?'), and that's where I think pivots are most valuable.

If you are discussing similarities of character - then sure. It shows the target you roll with people she can relate to. If the pivot and the girl don't get along (which I instruct my pivots to avoid) then the target will feel like she doesn't understand your social circle at all, and may be less inclined to chase you.

Again, I'm being all theoretical here. I base this on my poor intuition as opposed to verifiable sources or experience. I would appreciate any constructive input from more experienced members of the forum.

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