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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:44 pm 
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Hey guys this may come off as a bit of a rant so sorry if anyone doesn't like what I'm about to say.

I know there's a lot of valuable knowledge floating around out there, but some of these so called pua gurus are nothing more than immature children.

I read an article a while back from badboy it just made me shake my head. He's saying be bad to women treat women badly those were his exact words. I'm like wtf kind of horse shit is this?!

1st of all you're not gonna attract and keep a high value woman by treating her badly. And the cocky jerk game that he swears by gets you cock blocked 9x out of 10.

Being bad to women and treating them badly does not make you a "badboy" it makes you an asshole. I've been told countless times by countless ppl I'm one of the nicest guys they've met, but I stand my ground assert myself when nessecary and I'm extremely confident and I don't have any problem getting women and I rarely get cock blocked. In fact when I approach a group a lot of times I have the whole group engaged in the convo and they're glad I approached them.

Now back when I was drinking the bbl kool-aid and running cocky jerk game ya I had some success, but not with girls I deemed to be of any value and every fucking time I had to ward off mother hens.

So you guys tell me which is better nice guy as I refer to the gentleman with an edge or the cocky jerk?

Moral of the story just because someone claims to be the #1 player in the world don't jump and give him your money. Think for yourself and see the frauds for what they are.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:03 pm 
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Hey guys this may come off as a bit of a rant so sorry if anyone doesn't like what I'm about to say.

I know there's a lot of valuable knowledge floating around out there, but some of these so called pua gurus are nothing more than immature children.

I read an article a while back from badboy it just made me shake my head. He's saying be bad to women treat women badly those were his exact words. I'm like wtf kind of horse shit is this?!

1st of all you're not gonna attract and keep a high value woman by treating her badly. And the cocky jerk game that he swears by gets you cock blocked 9x out of 10.

Being bad to women and treating them badly does not make you a "badboy" it makes you an asshole. I've been told countless times by countless ppl I'm one of the nicest guys they've met, but I stand my ground assert myself when nessecary and I'm extremely confident and I don't have any problem getting women and I rarely get cock blocked. In fact when I approach a group a lot of times I have the whole group engaged in the convo and they're glad I approached them.

Now back when I was drinking the bbl kool-aid and running cocky jerk game ya I had some success, but not with girls I deemed to be of any value and every fucking time I had to ward off mother hens.

So you guys tell me which is better nice guy as I refer to the gentleman with an edge or the cocky jerk?

Moral of the story just because someone claims to be the #1 player in the world don't jump and give him your money. Think for yourself and see the frauds for what they are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:03 am 
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the gentleman with an edge

There's no reason to be a dick man.

Some girls do like to be "emotionally abused" but those aren't exactly the girls you probably want in your life.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:03 am 
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Quote from "the dating black book" written by Carlos Xuma:

The Myth of the “Jerk”
Why do women respond to and stay with Jerks? Even when they protest how much they mistreat them?

Because:
Jerks emulate the qualities of high self-confidence without understanding it.

Think about it. How does a Jerk behave?
- He puts himself and his pleasure ahead of everyone else in his life
- He can (and often does) dump women who cause him grief
- He doesn’t care what others think of him – he doesn’t need anyone’s approval
- He doesn’t suck up to women or put them on pedestals
- He doesn’t let people disrespect him
- He gets angry and shows it
- He isn’t afraid of hurting a woman emotionally

The reason they have this success is that they have all the qualities that women respond to. But what makes a Jerk too much is that they go to the extreme end of these behaviors, in essence appearing too abrasive, self-serving, and self-centered. There is a middle ground to be had, but it is important for you to understand why these guys are so successful with women.
Often times what women describe as a “jerk” sounds so horrible when you hear them talk about it (and where most Nice Guys get the wrong idea, thinking that they need to seek the opposite kind of behavior.)

The Truth is, the complaining you hear is actually a mixture of:
- A woman’s frustration at not being able to control the relationship the same
way they have in the past, and
- His truly jerk-ish qualities.
Face it, guys, if it was a clear cut case of him being a genuine jerk, i.e., some asshole no one wants to be around, she wouldn’t be with him. But he has qualities that are un-tame-able and attractive and addicting, so she stays.

*By the way, Post-facto Jerks (the men who are labeled Jerks after the woman has broken up with him) do
not necessarily count. In this case, the women are only justifying their decision after the fact. What I term Jerks are the men that women love to date and complain about.

A true man is always a gentleman, and the negative qualities of Jerks should be avoided. These are:
- Unnecessary anger (demonstrating a lack of Self-discipline)
- Disrespect or insulting behavior
- Abuse (of any kind)
- Overtly arrogant behavior
- Intentionally inflicting emotional hurt


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:51 am 
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Being a jerk is essentially starving a chick of attention. It heightens your value and lowers hers because you don't give a fuck(Don't give attention) thus leading to her seeking validation where she can't get it. It's no mystery.

And yeah, it totally works. Ever be an outright absolute dickhead to a chick you meet for the first time then go up to her an hour later and do a 180? Works well... a little too well in most cases! It works because you showed higher value by being a dick to the girl and seeing her as lesser so unconsciously she sought validation from you even though she maintained the exterior of disliking you brought on by the fact that you didn't show her the positive attention she was expecting. She'll stay hooked trying to be validated by you if you all of a sudden turn around and act nice to her.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:59 pm 
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Quote from "the dating black book" written by Carlos Xuma:

The Myth of the “Jerk”
Why do women respond to and stay with Jerks? Even when they protest how much they mistreat them?

Because:
Jerks emulate the qualities of high self-confidence without understanding it.

Think about it. How does a Jerk behave?
- He puts himself and his pleasure ahead of everyone else in his life
- He can (and often does) dump women who cause him grief
- He doesn’t care what others think of him – he doesn’t need anyone’s approval
- He doesn’t suck up to women or put them on pedestals
- He doesn’t let people disrespect him
- He gets angry and shows it
- He isn’t afraid of hurting a woman emotionally

The reason they have this success is that they have all the qualities that women respond to. But what makes a Jerk too much is that they go to the extreme end of these behaviors, in essence appearing too abrasive, self-serving, and self-centered. There is a middle ground to be had, but it is important for you to understand why these guys are so successful with women.
Often times what women describe as a “jerk” sounds so horrible when you hear them talk about it (and where most Nice Guys get the wrong idea, thinking that they need to seek the opposite kind of behavior.)

The Truth is, the complaining you hear is actually a mixture of:
- A woman’s frustration at not being able to control the relationship the same
way they have in the past, and
- His truly jerk-ish qualities.
Face it, guys, if it was a clear cut case of him being a genuine jerk, i.e., some asshole no one wants to be around, she wouldn’t be with him. But he has qualities that are un-tame-able and attractive and addicting, so she stays.

*By the way, Post-facto Jerks (the men who are labeled Jerks after the woman has broken up with him) do
not necessarily count. In this case, the women are only justifying their decision after the fact. What I term Jerks are the men that women love to date and complain about.

A true man is always a gentleman, and the negative qualities of Jerks should be avoided. These are:
- Unnecessary anger (demonstrating a lack of Self-discipline)
- Disrespect or insulting behavior
- Abuse (of any kind)
- Overtly arrogant behavior
- Intentionally inflicting emotional hurt

You're right I read Carlos Xuma's material you're reffereing too.
What uou described there is what I was talking about as a gentleman with an edge my last gf we broke up because the relationship ran its course no real reason I could probably call her up today if I wanted, but she loved me because I had my own things on the go didn't smother her teased her was totally unpredictable I'd call her at 2 in the morning and tell her to come out swimming shit like that. I had all the good qualities you describe of the jerk, but she knew I would never mistreat her and liked her, but also wasn't afraid to let her walk either, and if something serious ever happened and she needed me there to support that I would be there. To me that's the idea of middle ground gentleman with an edge. Alpha bad boy, but can be supportive when its nesessary.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:14 am 
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That was a solid post... I'd have to agree with it immensely.

The key is simple be a confident Gentlemen, not a jerk.

One Major difference between a gentlemen and a jerk is charm.

I don't agree with a ton of pick up literature... in fact most. I believe rather then emulate what attracts women learn to attract women. BECOME ATTRACTIVE!

I wouldn't pay attention to any of the types of info you don't agree with. You probably would actually enjoy some Mark Manson... try out the book Models.
One of the few books I do support. Great read... I'm sure you can find it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:03 pm 
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That was a solid post... I'd have to agree with it immensely.

The key is simple be a confident Gentlemen, not a jerk.

One Major difference between a gentlemen and a jerk is charm.

I don't agree with a ton of pick up literature... in fact most. I believe rather then emulate what attracts women learn to attract women. BECOME ATTRACTIVE!

I wouldn't pay attention to any of the types of info you don't agree with. You probably would actually enjoy some Mark Manson... try out the book Models.
One of the few books I do support. Great read... I'm sure you can find it.



Vic
Thanks man. I've personally gotten fed up with a lot of the low ball pua crap out there. And being the gentleman is my personal style and in my opinion the most effective.

I'll check that book out. I like material that not only helps teach you to attract women, but also helps with self development.
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