I think i'm a fairly confident man, but i don't like going for 9/10s.

It's not that I think they're out of my league (IMO saying leagues don't exist in PC propaganda). It's just in my mind I like 9/10s as bitches and scamps. It sounds weird, but in my experience most 9/10 women have not been very nice people, either in how they relate to others or their attitudes.

It's wrong to stereotype people, but I think 9/10s get by largely on their looks, so they don't have to work on other aspects. People, and especially men, will be friends with them as good social proof and evidently to get in their pussies lol....

My guess is that you are scared to get rejected by them, hence why you make up excuses rationalizing why you don't go out and try to pick them up. You should take a step back and read what you just wrote, this text is full of ASSUMPTIONS.

A girl would be uninteresting, stupid, etc. simply because she is better looking than most people out there.. Really? I can tell right off the bat that you didn't really try to pick up any 9s and 10s.

Of course, there will be some really hot girls who are bitches, superficials, and uninteresting, but that doesn't mean most of them are! In fact, the really hot ones doesn't really get approached most by guys because, just like you, they are scared to go talk to them unless they are sloppy drunk... So they tend to be nicer. In fact, I can tell you from my personal experience that ugly girls are usually way meaner than hot ones.

As for myself, currently dating one of these 9s, and I think that the girl is far from superficial, selfish, etc and is actually a really interesting and ground to earth person.

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As said, it's just experience. Most 9/10s I've ever met have tended to be bitches.

Call it irrational if you will, but humans are seldom rational lol..

I had kind of a zen moment this weekend. Went to a nice area of town and saw this Black Bentley coup parked outside a ritzy steakhouse. Later that night when I was going home I saw a couple girls standing by the car--a blond and brunette. I was kind of far away, but I'm pretty sure they were hot. Clearly they were waiting for the owner to come unlock the car. Out comes some younger looking douchebag guy wearing some absurd vest and he unlocks the Bentley and they all hop in and take off. My date and I started speculating about them and she was like "It's probably his girlfriend and his sister or something." But I think not. We all know that guys with that much money can get multiple girls at the same time as long as he is footing the bill at the steakhouse and driving them home to his mansion in his Bentley.

So now imagine trying to approach those girls, whether they are still with that guy or have moved on. They know that they can get guys who drive Bentleys, because they've done it before. Do you really think you'll impress them with your Honda or by making them pay half the check on your first date? They are accustomed to that lifestyle and have the mentality that they are hot enough to deserve guys at that level. Anything less would be slumming or settling for them. Even if that guy treated them like shit and dumped them, they'll still seek out those types of guys in the future. It's basically just gold digging.

This is why more and more I've come to accept that if you don't have great looks that attract women, or a large bankroll, you need to be realistic when it comes to who you approach and the outcome you can expect out of it. There are some 9s and 10s that you could pull because they are young or naive, but more often than not an average guy, even with pua skills, is not going to be able to pull those types of girls unless he has looks or money.

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I can agree with the comment about really beautiful women not having those attitude problems and being stuck up. Something about beautiful, talented, and highly gifted people (intelligent and successful) that makes them have a nice and outgoing character and not become rude to others. In fact, I have even heard that you are better off approaching a 9 than you are a 7 or a 6. Women who are above average looking get approached so much by guys who have absolutely terrible game that it also inflates their egos skyhigh. Those same guys are the ones who won't approach the 9s and 10s so as a result you get less of those women who want to talk to others. Just freaking do it OP.

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I understand the being realistic part. A lot of men want to dress like trash and approach attractive women, not going to end up working in your favor. Like I noticed that even though game has helped, the reason I was getting laid was because of the clothes I was wearing (dressing GQ) and the fact that I was more fit and it showed on my face (defined jaw and visible cheekbones). No amount of game in the world would have saved me if I was really chubby and dressed like a clown. So the good looks part really isn't all genetics, a lot of it has to do with looking your best and being your best and then approaching. I can never advocate PUAs telling people to just approach, that is a dumb idea. In fact I am going to post a thread on it.

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Really, being an HB10 is just another form of a shit test. As MrMatt said, stupid AFC's won't approach HB9's or 10's because they have the same limiting belief you seem to have: "This woman just gets by on her looks and she's probably just a bitch who i have no chance with anyway."

I've been with a couple of HB10's and a handful of HB9's. Dated a HB9/9.5 in High School and I she always talked about how frustrating it was that guys just didn't seem interested in her. She was Moldavian and thought her foreignness made her unattractive in America. I straight up told her that it was because she was so hot that guys were afraid to approach her. I gave her confidence and she gave me sex.

The point is that once you pass that first shit test, you will almost always find a sweet girl who is begging you to rock her world.

I strongly disagree with you. I live in New York and am friends with many models, some of them even quite successful ones, and I can say that they are not bitches at all. They are just normal people, the same as everyone else.