Brothers,

I want your opinion on this interaction with a HB whom I met at work. Both of us recently left our workplace within a week of each other and I sent her an email saying that we should get to know each other more etc, I did make some near fatal mistakes by complimenting her on her looks- normally would be kiss of death- but I only did so as I've texted her on the phone about such things before and she's always seemed okay and receptive the next day.

The email was broadly around "I think you have an elegance and energy about you, I'm curious" -Ross Jeffries style phrases- but probably mixed with some not so cool phrases that he wouldn't use- I said that I would probably miss her cute little giggle etc (although I'd said that to her before with no adverse effect...!)

I didn't expect her to reply as I said I'd call her. A week or so later I called to see how she was, she seemed okay, but had to go somewhere so we couldn't chat long. later on she texted me saying,

"Hey sorry I couldn't really talk earlier as was heading out. not sure if you were expecting a reply to your email or not, I wasn't really sure what to say as of course I'm happy to be friends but don't really want anything more than that at the moment"

I notice "at the moment" as previously she has shown clear IOIs, asking what I'm doing, what drives me in life, she took my hand as I was about to leave the bar etc... adn clearly she is out on the hunt for a man, although clearly I probably didn't take this on at a pace that she felt comfortable with.

This response is an obvious LJBF rebutt, But in my reply I said broadly that "I did intend to ring her to explain my email" and a softener "I understand the compliments probably meant nothing as sleazy guys probably say things like that all the time" I also issued a Ross Jeffries Style Challenge- "I never said I was in Love with you- please don't put such labels on things as I'd hope you're more self assured than that"

Then I finished by saying "whilst I meant what i said in the email, I'd rather not say something that would make you feel uncomfortable"

The intention will be to challenge her further next time I chat to her- I'll ask "I hope you have the confidence and maturity to take what I said in an intuitive manner" I think she's soft and confused enough for the LJBF thing she said to be just an automatic response - as Ross Jeffries Calls it- she's unsure, maybe it could be challenged again, but I could be wrong, what do we think?

didn't read the thread, but judging by title, if she says LJBF, you stay LJBF, 99% of the time.

dragonsfire, welcome to the forum.

First of all, there ARE times when the LJBF thing is just a plain shit test. However, considering what's been said between you two, I don't see that in this case.

I think you probably did have the IOI's at first, but you didn't "put your balls on the line", so you lost that chance. You were too soft with her. You can't do that.

Hey guys,

Didn't really have a chance to read everything. However, cause I'm in a simillar position I use kino to test the waters. It sometimes easier with my story.

KINO ESCLATION TESTS
I have been gaming this woman from just over month. My Day1 sucked caused I was suck in AFC mode not knowing how to play it. Luckily since she opened me by offering me her number. I was on safe ground.
Day 2 - I decided to up my game big time in so I initatied very light kino. As soon as we met - I greeted her with a big hug( everybody loves a hug - right ) So she didn't hesistate and we hugged. This hug is now almost ritual and everything we meet, we hug. Hugging is a great way to start kino but remember to smile . The hug got the date off to a good start.

One of the things about kino and attraction is proximity. If she's keeping a friendly distance then any kino becomes forced and doesn't look natural. As we walk, out proxmity is so close that we almost keep walking into each other. Always a GOOD sign if you when this happems.
As we walk, I intiate further kino ( remember keep kino light im order to escalate). We head to the local Pizza restuarant and she places her bag between herself and me. My mind is saying - Bag physical barrier. I find the distance difficult for kino. I become an AFC and was about to give up When the pizza arrives. We try talking but place is too noisy. I suggest I sit closer and she naturally removes her bag for me to sit closer. Mental note - Barrier removed, No Damage.

So the place is noisy and we have to move in closer to talk. We bump legs ( all women seem acknowledge this as natural indication of interest ) She says nothing and we just talk. I continue kino keeping just to the hands. Remember that when doing kino to be sutle and observe reactions if she looks uncomfortable, Stop. She doesn't seem to mind. We dined for 4 hours and I kinoed lightly throughout. She did not even flinch and just acted natural.

AFC WARNING AHEAD:
As we walk towards the station, I put my arm around her (not adviced at this stage) she was, however, to my surprise cool with this. So I'm thinking to myself - She wants me.

At the station, I put my arms around her and turn into an AFC when I go for the KISS only for her to turn slightly and say she wants us to be JUST FRIENDS FOR NOW . I requalify her and she confirms she's single. Now all the time at the station, I had my arms around her and as soon she says NOW, I drop my arms. My demeanor changes from cool and playful to cool and disinterested. I'm guessing that she notices this she states - "This isn't a permanent state of affairs nut temporarily."

So now I know something else which is that she's undecided but enjoys my playful mood and kino (thus qualifier). Now I can game other women with a clear mind and yet upping the kino with her.

Hope that helps
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