Recently I’ve started a new job and there is a young girl that works on a stall right outside from me. I usually talk to her for about 10minuets a day, while she is closing or if I am walking past. It’s very difficult to talk to her any longer than that because chances are someone will buy something from her, but in addition to that my Boss will come and cock block me, which he did the first time I approached her. She also starts later then me and ends before me and has no lunch break… so finding time to talk to her is more then difficult.

Anyway, I have been working on her for about four days now. But I just can’t read her at all because her body language is hidden, as she is usually arranging things on her stand or sitting down behind a large display. She also has a habit of holding back her smile, so it becomes similar to a confused look. So I just can’t read her to easily, and frankly until I feel my chances are high I am not going to push for anything more, as remember I have to work there too. All I have to go on is eye contact, which she never holds for longer then a few seconds, although the first eye contact was a lengthy 8-10sec stare out... Which leaves me with just the conversation to go by, which is difficult because she is a hired gun.

So guys… I was hoping you could help me out. What else can I look for? The only clue I have is that she is usually responsive to conversation, in that she gives me more information to a question than she needs to, or would do if she hated me being around.


I have been trying to build her attraction by DHVing, but have no idea if its working.

I’ve made friends with the people on the stalls and in the shops around her.
I lean against the wall when people come and talk to me. Social Value Style
I’ve spoken to other girls that have used the bench right by her, even getting them giggling.

Any other suggestions for some DHV?

No thoughts on this one then guys?

Can you see if she has a wedding ring on? Or anything like that? I would just say you would need to invite her out with you somewhere besides there at work. Invite her out just to hang out, letting her know that you think she's cool and would be a cool friend. Then, go from there.

She hasn’t got a wedding ring, and yes I am going to ask her somewhere at some point, that is the plan eventually. But without getting a good reading on her interest level I just don’t want to. As I said I have to work right across from her and I can’t afford for it to go wrong. If she was 60yards away then I wouldn’t care as much, but she is right on the doorstep, so it’s tricky, due to work connections.

It should also be noted that the guys I work with spend a lot of time talking about how she is ‘going to get it’ and they’re ‘going to give it to her’, yet none of them have the balls to even talk to her, as she is a HB7 or so. Frankly, I can’t afford failure with this girl. Not with the people I work with watching me, and the situation being so close to work.

I feel really lost on this occasion. Overall I am thinking that I shouldn’t bother with this girl, but my instinct tells me to go for it and do what I like regardless.


P.S: To give you an idea about the ‘held back smile / confused look’ I mentioned in my first post. Smile but keep your lips touching and rise your eyebrows. I receive this look after cocky and funny comments and she will look away when she does it. But can’t work out if she is smiling or thinking ‘Sure Buddy’. I think it is likely she is just coy.

Well, to start with, a PUA is different from every other guy, so for the fact that you're doing what all the other guys are doing . . . by talking ABOUT her but not talking TO her, puts you right in the same category as them.

It sounds to me like that look is saying "sure buddy".

Look, it's simple. Invite her to tag along with you somewhere. If she says yes, great. If she says no, then just drop her. Don't talk to her. Don't flirt with her. Nothing. If you're that afraid that asking her a simple question will ruin your work environment, then just drop her right now. Period. Because in the end you won't get anywhere with her with that mindset.

No, no... I don’t talk about her at work, I just overhear their conversations. And I DO talk to her, if I can, but I just get interruptions that pull me away, it is really frustrating!

Still, I guess you’re right, just ask her somewhere. But it just seems like a bad idea to mix business and pleasure.

As for her ‘look’. I didn’t mention this before but she has braces. For a girl her age (22 or so) she must be quite self conscious about it as its her only real flaw. I didn’t mention that before as I don’t feel like I should really give out tooo many details. I was just wondering if it is something people have encountered in shy girls before.

if you think shes self conscious about it then dont bring it up as it might backfire. Just find anything even if its not a flaw. For example a girl i am currently working on.

(Shes putting her hair up)
ME: What are you doing?
HB8: Putting my hair up, its wild.
ME: You should leave it down, it looks better.
HB8: ok, but its so wild.

I did this as a compliance test and a neg. Even though she looks great with her hair up or down i just came up with it to see what she would do and to neg her a bit. It worked as she complied. The negs are something i had a hard time figuring out at first, but i think ive got it down now.

As far as mixing business and pleasure oh well. Before i found out about all this i asked a girl out from a client's work place. She obviously turned me down because i was too attracted to her and didn't do anything to get her be attracted to me. So i crashed and burned, but no harm done. Just go on acting like it never happened. its not a big deal.

There's no neg there. It's just a compliment.

Well I saw her today by a mall stand that sells Internet. So I approached and said “All right guys having a good day?” I usually talk to the owner of this stand… so it wasn’t unusual.

I dropped her a Neg “Oh the phone again... So working hard I see”. This didn’t go down well at all. She sparked up saying “I never see you working. All you do is walk around talking to people”. I just rolled my eye and said “Well I am sociable” with that I walked away telling her to smile… she didn’t. Frankly I didn’t have time to hang about as I had to get back to work.

I thought about her reaction for a bit and I recalled telling her yesterday night that I made friends with the girls at the coffee stand and they’re giving me all the muffins at the end of the day. Her reply was ‘You’ll get fat’ to which I couldn’t reply to as I was interrupted by a passer by. So, I just put her out burst down as part of a moody shit test, either that or she was acting up due to the other guy being there?

As a result my plan was to freeze her out until Sunday or Monday. But I got back to work and was told that I am being laid off! So I left the place, spoke to the internet guy again, she was there but she totally blanked me. She was in a conversation with some fat girl in a corner.

All in all it sounds bad hey? Well here is some good news. Because I am a nice guy and have been walking around making friends, I was recently told by a rival company that they will give me more money for the same job, and its still in the area. I just have to go in and talk to them.

Now though, I am left wondering what to do again. I have to go in and collect my pay check on Monday, and no doubt she’ll be there. Also if I do choose this other job, I’ll probably still be visiting the same people, thus she will always be around.

So what's the big deal? Take the other job, go get your last paycheck, and completely ignore the girl. She doesn't want you anyway man. Move on. Find someone who is worthy of you.