I felt the need to post this because there has been a lot of hype about how the show has helped/hendered the community.

I was out last Monday night. I met this girl online. I moved her from chat conversations to phone conversations in about 3 hours worth of chatting. Then I was able to setup this date with this HB8. I met her at the local Starbucks on this rainy night. I arrived and she complimented me on my shirt, I was peacocking, and then I said something like, "You're the 3rd person that has told me that today!"

We went outside and I ran the ESP Thread to build interest. I got the #7 right and it left her wondering. Then I ran the Cube and she was all into it. She's like that is so me...I knew I had her. Then she surpised me and asked me to stand up so she could check out my butt. I said, "What am I you're dancing monkey..." Then after a little more debate I did it. Then I had her do it, turn around, and pose as I took a picture.

Then she asked me if I had seen the VH1 show. I said yeah I caught about half an episode, and said, "Why do you ask?" She said, "Well, there was something you said before online that got me thinking..." I had used a Neg from the show. I said well you caught me, I thought I got it from a movie, but whatever. Anyways, then I went into my next thread.

I ended up making out with her in my car!

This proves one thing. Women have seen the show but most don't pay attention to it. Secondly, it's not what you say, but how you say it. I'm happy to report it had no affect on my results. Happy Sarging!

J SMOOTH

in australia we dont have that problem. i think the game is much harder in the usa,

See this is the thing. Again, it really doesn't matter for the most part what you say, but rather, how you say it. You can use all kinds of stuff from the show, from the book, from online, or whatever, but if you can carry it well, she will STILL want you.

I wish all the new guys could understand this.

Hell, I wish the old premadonnas could understand this, lol.

Asian_alpha, I'm guessing you didn't have the show over there?

Asian, the game isn't any harder here. People really shouldn't be using that crap anyway, that isn't what seduction is about. It is about creating a genuine, strong and powerful connection between two people. There is no reason to be satisfied using those canned lines, a much deeper satisfaction and actual self-improvment comes from the ability to see why these examples work, and then apply the theory to your own conversations and knowledge-base.

As if you can't make a strong, intimate, real connection using canned lines.

Again, it's not what you say, it's how you say carry yourself.

I somehow knew by me saying "premadonnas" . . .

Props jsmooth, you did what you do. You closed. You used a combo of something from the show and your own stuff, and you proved it work. Though, that "crap" isn't supposed to work.

Totally just warped what I said.

I totally agree, it's like the whole social robots thing...

As I've always said the canned lines are ok when you have no idea what to say... but there comes a point when you should be using your own material... Thats when the growth truly starts escalating

SEE L.A! Now YOU'RE starting shit.

Surely as a moderator with more than 1000 posts signifying your almighty dominance and knowledge would know better than to indirectly insult another member's insight with veiled sarcasm, no?

Seems the "Premadonnas" are the bad guys here, eh buddy? Well, you go ahead and keep being the wonderful mod your proving to be. Leave the "Premadonnas" to their insight giving, as we are all equal under the same calling, as you should know.
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Now, as to address Jsmooth, dude, awsome work, and guess what.

It wasn't the techinques that got your success.

It was your CONGRUENCY.

In the face of exposure, you maintained who you were, and didn't buckle like the many others who choke when VH1 is brought up.

Good job, and lesson guys:

Congruency makes any gaming attempt successful.

Seduction isn't about bullying your way through either, or bullying people around when you don't get your way, but we're also not starting more wars either.

BB, I thought you said before that you were running home to your "turf".

Let me guess . . . since I've now mentioned YOUR name in a post, I'm starting something with you now too, eh?

MaybeI'm only speaking for myself but the first time someone actually asks me if I'm into PUA because of something I say, I'll feel like I've done my job. People should be flattered to be compared to that infernal show.

Uhhhhhh...What?
Obviously, if your still making statements like this, you have NO IDEA what we are all about. Find me a post where the "premadonnas" were worried about not being able to use canned lines or didn't "understand" as you say.
Exactly Doc, no-one is saying people can't use canned lines. There is nothing wrong with needing a little guidance in the beginning, but this should not be anything more than a crutch. As soon as you can walk again, do you still use the crutch? Obviously not. Besides, no-one is completely original when you really think about it, everyone uses canned phrases, statements, jokes, and other conversational snipets. But yes, the true growth really starts when you don't go out thinking about "the cube" and other routines, you just go out and be yourself, applying what you have learned and fusing the knowledge into your persona.
IMO, a genuine connection cannot be generated when you are running routines. Does it feel genuine to her? Probably. But is it really genuine by definition? No.

Do I really need to break that down for you? Seduction . . . isn't . . . about . . . being . . . a . . . bully. Got it? Hmmm, can't get your own words to match up, eh? I've never said anything about not being able to use canned lines. YOU called the canned lines crap. YOU say people should drop the canned lines. I simply disagree because canned lines can be used and do serve a purpose. I've never said everyone should always use canned lines, as you infer I say. i simply disagree and I guess you can't stand that. LMAO, then why do you attack my posts when I talk about the benefits of using canned lines? Apparently this is actually a personal problem you have with me? Hmmm, I guess that means you're threatened by me? No surprise there. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . but you just above said the use of canned lines is fine for beginners . . . and that everyone uses canned phrases, statements, and jokes . . .
So, I guess in your way of thinking, you never truly make a connection with her . . .

It’s time to stop splitting hairs and igniting arguments over petty differences. PU is more of an art than a science and that’s probably why there’s multiple schools of thought, and not just one!