Ive been out of the game for a long time because I travled a lot than had to work hard all summer than followed by moving to the US from europe after that I couldn't get back to the game, but now after months of losing confidence and ending nights looking at porn im back and want to be good again and want to start decating time to learn the game and going back to the road of becoming a good pua

Anyways to the question, theres a hb 8.5 that I think likes me but im not sure, I talked to her once when sitting outside my doorroom, we talked a bit about europe, basicly I was very AFC, now every time I see her she starts fixing her hair and tries to aviod me, and doesn't even say hi, is this IOI or what?, anyways whats a good way to start talking to her and move it to getting her on a date

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Anytime a woman is avoiding you it isn't a good sign.

To try to approach her now might be entirely awkward. Doubtful she'll go along with it.

Next time you see her, smile and say hi, then start talking and see if she responds. Then escalate if you're able to hold her attention, and she doesn't walk off, etc..

Otherwise I think you're probably wasting your time on this one. She gathered enough info when you talked to her before, and she made up her mind you weren't her cup of tea.

Could be a lot of things.

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yeah if she goes off to fix her hair or avoid you then it def isnt an IOI, it is an IOD

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isn't possible shes shy?

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I am bound to add that the excess in too little has ever proved in me more dangerous than the excess in too much; the last may cause indigestion, but the first causes death.
-Giacomo Casanova

hmm... im sorry bud, but it might be an iod. but dam, dont worry bout her, you have tons of material to dhv with.

shy is playing with her hair while smiling and looking down . . . avoiding convo alltogether is a completely different story.

IMO you should try talking to mid levels like HB 5-7 and build up confidence and practice, then when you see her after that you will have a much better chance . . . .a good idea is to change up your look a bit, different haircut, if shes never seen you in a suit find a reason to wear one. . . you get the idea.

Listen guys..

There are a lot of girls who are insecure, I don't care how you rate them. It's just the way it is. If you're a decent guy and you don't ask 'em out, try to get with 'em, etc.. within 5 minutes of meeting them they take it personally.. As though you were telling them they are ugly or something.

And you know the old saying.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Now they may turn you down the first time. That's ok, ask why and try to find a way around it if she's worth it. If not find another.

Girls have alot to consider when it comes to evaluating new guys, especially the younger ones. Sometimes it takes a little persistence. But I can tell you, if you don't express an interest in dating her, and in her eyes you're a desirable guy and not her cousin she 'will' take it personally and you will regret it. It just goes downhill from there because fairly soon all her girlfriends will also hear about what a stuck up asshole you are.

May not be right, or accurate but that's just the way it is. To a girl it's no skin off your back at all to ask a girl or a woman out. Because typically they've heard it all already from much lesser men. If you hesitate it's natural for her to assume, or jump to conclusions that you don't think she's attractive enough, ugly, you hate women or something similar.

And to a woman that lack of confidence makes you look like a 300 lb. fat bitch.

First impressions are lasting ones.

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yeah i think the first move to doing this besides reading the books is changing your avatar, you wont get by dressing like you work in a library or you just came out of a ozzy osbourne concert, unless those are the girls you are trying to attract....i suggest going into google or yahoo and research some the the world best dressed men, obviously for the younger guys you wont want to wear the suits and sports coats, but there tons on young famous people who know how to dress

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

thx guys, ye im gonna start dressing well again and see how girls react to that, should I just start dressing well and peacock or will that be too much of a change?

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I am bound to add that the excess in too little has ever proved in me more dangerous than the excess in too much; the last may cause indigestion, but the first causes death.
-Giacomo Casanova

do it gradually, it would be weird to see a person dressed in like emo clothing to ghetto, you get the idea, you want it to be subtle, yet gradual....

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A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

Get a decent casual sport coat to wear out.. Something in a light color looks great with just about everything.

It goes quite well with anything from khakis to jeans and a decent t-shirt.

It sets you apart from most guys in the crowd as well. Besides women like it. A good belt and pair of shoes helps as well. Those that do double duty are great.

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as a chick whos done this b4 my advice would be to ognore her then neg her but try and get it in a social setting. peacocking is over-rated and if you look like a tool, its not so much that we'll think your embaressing urself its more that ur embarressing us. unfortunately thats how chicks brains are wired.

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I love this response.