Whats up guys? I'm new to the game and forum, and this is my problem. I'm not a hater, but I'm tired of being stuck with the HB 3's,4's, and 5's.

I've never had a problem approaching, its just building attraction from the 8's, 9's, and 10's. My buddy who I always go sarging with, and have been friends with for twenty years, is pretty good lookin guy but has NO GAME! Girls are just flockin to him strictly on his looks all his life. He's had it easy, but not me. I have to work for it.

So I put in all the work sarging sets, (open, conversate,email close or # close)whatever. I just started trying some PUA tactics I've learned. As soon as my friends in the picture its " who's that?" or "your friends hot" and all the attention is on him now. So the HB 8 or 9 wants my friend instead of me, and I get stuck with her ugly friend HB 3 or 4 or nothin at all. I'll even call out a chick I've been talking to and say, "I going to try to bang (kelly)" and instead of him helping me get this broad, she'll firt with him when we go out together, and he'll try to get her. He's never helped me get laid, I've always done it on my own, but I feel like I'm helping him a lot more than he realizes, and have never gotten the favor returned. I'm not hating on my friend but he really has no game and is not very smart. Its frustrating. Thats why I'm working on my game.

Sorry it was so long. What do you guys think I should do?

-Q

dude talk it over with your wingman, make sure he knows to help you out instead of compete

or get a new wing.

Ditching the dude is too obvious of advice, I'm sure he thought of that one himself already.

What he's asking is, once a chick is jocking his friend what should he do...after of course he's put in all the work?

Here's what I did a few times, and it worked well most of them:

I would game a chick for a good 10 minutes or so, a good lookin friend would show up (yes, sometimes no game, USE THAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE)
Her: "who's that, he's hot"
Me: Oh, that's (Friend). You guys would actually be cute together, him and i are practically opposites (this sub-conciously says "you're not my type baby and that's just the excuse i need to get rid of you") You could also just say, "you're not my type"
Her: Oh is that right!?
Me: (ignoring her) Yo (Friend), come here dude I want you to meet my new friend ________.
I eject, I let them talk; hopefully they do for at least a little bit.

1 of a few things will happen
1.) She'll feel rejected by me and try to win me over (if he confidence is strong enough...test for this)
2.) She'll become my friend and try to hook me up with her hottie friends (I like this one much better, my social network of women has become insanely huge just because a few girls i've won over one way or another have introduced me to every single one of their friends...makes for great pivots and what not or for DHV)
3.) It'll goto shit right away and that'll be the end of it becasue the girl will be weirded out. <- do you really care though?

GL

Thanks for the replies guys. I like that one ace. I'm going to use that next time.

thanks ace that advice was golden