Keeping your value vs Opening new sets (Club Game)



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:58 am 
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Lets say you are alone in a VIP club and you are somehow not an a roll that day... The club is not that full (so everybody that is there can notice you). Its also a VIP club where people tend to be in sets of people who know each other and there is not much mingling of sets that dont know each other going on...
...and you opened some sets before, but things are going slow that night, you end up standing alone, looking as cool as you can, leaning against something... trying to look alpha...not staring, not looking around, just an alpha man that is now alone and relaxing a bit. But there's nobody to talk to... The only way to talk to somebody is to lower value and walk towards them... (presume you are alone and have no social proof there at that moment).

What do you do?

A) Remain Alpha / keep your value, but waste time: Wait (could be long time) until some victim pops up next to you so you can talk (not caring whether its a guy or an UG or whatever), and just keep on leaning back in your current great ready-for-lock-in alpha position (leaning back at the bar or something like that), hoping that random people that you can talk to attract more people until you have your own "social proof corner", which might also not work because just nobody comes around

B) Walk towards sets in the distance while the whole clubs notices you walking towards them (because today the club is not very full), lowering your value by doing this and then try to gain the value back with your new set by plowing through with great canned high-octane DHV routines... risking a bad response by being try-hard, which will lower your value to zero for everybody in that room that notices you. (and its a setting where you will be noticed if you walk around, because nobody is doing it there)

C) is there another option?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:25 am 
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I dont see how walking towards a set when you are alone will lower your value. Your value goes up abit just for having the balls to approach. Because you are alone, sets will not open you, therefore you have to engage. I can see how its abit harder to open when there are few people in a club, opinion openers will just sound kinda weird when everyone has seen you standing around alone for a while. You shouldnt find yourself in this situation in the first place cause you can kill the entire room that way. Talk to the bartender or something then open anyone that comes to the bar if you dont want to be seen approaching people.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:51 am 
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Option C: Go home and sign up for some seminar or boot camp or sign up for a course in social psychology or something . . .

Look, Romeo is setting you on the right path here but I don't think you have a grasp of the basics. Logically, you can probably understand that what Romeo wrote makes sense but unless you have visual proof from experienced guys actually making it work in front of you, there's a good chance you'll just go back into your little shell.

The alpha male is ALPHA because there is a BETA. Without a reference point, you're a lost little animal. Ever hear the National Geographic narrator refer to the lion without a pride as "alpha"?

Going the lone route is probably not a good thing for you as all you're doing is justifying your AA through the incorrect application of PUA concepts. You're somehow telling yourself that it's OK to be a chumpy non-sociable guy. Instead of sitting home by yourself and trying to dissect your game, I'd look into finding some experienced guys to mentor you.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:14 am 
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opening sets doesnt lower your value. ok


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:31 am 
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Heya man...

ok I'm going to go against the grain here.

I recently put a video up about this on youtube.

Explaining how openeing 'can' lower your value if done incorrectly.

The easiest way to do this is to employ social proof or pre-selection.

Open up other girls first closer to you, or one's that aren't as hot so they fly open.

then either mix them into the new sets by opening with the girls by your side, or bounce from your set into the other hot chicks as they walk past for the bathroom/bar/whatever.

I hope this makes sense.

If not let me know and I'll dig up some more.

AFC Adam,


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