You cant teach someone to be a natural, thats why its called being natural. People have been laying the groundwork that helps people develop their own methods and what works best for them for a long time now, except so many stupid people just blindly follow the mainstream methods because they are popular. You're really achieving nothing.

Any guy that claims to be a 'guru' that can teach you to be natural is fraud. He's not your guru, mysterys not your guru, you are! embrace it. ffs.

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What a title!

No love for Juggler huh? Read conversational jujistsu and you'll notice that a ridiculous amount of the 'origional' concepts Mystery and Style employ were first brought up by Juggler... plus the man is the epitomy of a natural, getting married to the woman of his dreams, walking away from the community and (I assume) living 'happily ever after'.

The best Guru, Anthony Robbins. Ross Jeffries tried to model his NLP, Mystery tried to model his speech and presence. If you could meld the best of Style, Mystery, Ross Jeffries, Juggler and David D into one SUPER PUA... what that creation would be to simply picking up women Tony Robbins is at life.

I think the confusion here lies in convoluted definitions of terms. I think that when people use the word "natural" they are actually talking about one of two distinctly different concepts; "naturals" and "natural game."

I think of "naturals" as people who are just naturally good with women. In the same way that Mozart looked at a piano and just knew how it worked and how to play it, naturals somehow just innately posses the characteristics that are attractive to women. If these are the types of people that Mr Fahrenheit is talking about then I totally agree. Someone is either a natural or they aren't... Someone is either Mozart or he isn't.

"natural game" on the other hand is something different. I think of someone who possesses natural game as Yanni... or Elton John. These are people who are brilliant composers and song writers, but they had to be taught how to do it first. Using PUA methods, someone can learn how to adopt characteristics that are attractive to females and pretty much mimic a true "natural" completely.... they just have to work at it.

You can't teach someone to be a "natural"... but you can teach "natural game"


Just to round out my post, I'll just mention the third type of PUA... I don't really have a name for it... I guess I'll call it "canned game." Those who use canned game are like lounge pianists. You have to know how to play the piano in order to play an Elton John song or a Mozart piece and some people will stop and listen and even be impressed, but it's not particularly creative and you'll never get famous. Similarly, canned game practitioners have to know theory and techniques and they'll get laid, but it's not creative or ground breaking.