I wasn't sure whether this goes in the 'Lay Report' section because its not just a LR or the 'Relationship' section because its not seeking or giving relationship advise either, or the 'Approach & Opening' section ! So I'll let the moderators decide as I'm posting this in the PUA lounge. I think this belongs here because this is just plain sharing info. with my fellow PUAs about the possibilities of success when you are in your own world and genuinely become an interesting and fun person who is indifferent towards getting a girl.

I took a 6-8 mths break from the forum and all reading materials as I wanted to get back in the real world and work on interacting with people without canned openers or routines. While on a break I had more success than usual, and this report contains an encounter I had in NYC with a runway model.

I was at the Starbucks(SB) on the corner of 7th Avenue reading a Health & Fitness Mag. and at the table right behind was a brunett, who at the time with a casual jeans & T shirt looked like a regular student, reading a Sidney Sheldon novel. At somepoint which I dont remember, I casually turned half towards her and made a comment on the author's great work.Contrarary to the advise given by MPUAs I had a big ass 'Hello SMILE' on my face. And I wasn't afraid of it because I wanted to break all rules and more so I didn't even at the time want to 'get anywhere' with this girl

She looked up and acknowledged my comment with something on the lines of 'Yes I like his style too. He just knows to build up the story and make you experience the character, if you know what I mean'

Marc: Yes I do. Its strange that even in a crowded place like this with all the hustle bustle the author can hold the reader's attention.

The conversation started there and I turned my body even more towards her. I asked her every question that normally is advised not to; such as where is she from, what does she like to read, interests etc etc.. I asked her a question and she would ask me back. We were developing a rapport without even trying.

She hadn't told me yet that she was a model and I guess I never asked. I never asked her what she does for a living since I tend to get very judgemental about education & employment and tend to write off people pretty early. Hence I didn't even bother asking.

We got ourselves another cup of coffee and started chatting about authors and their different styles of writing and human psychology, than how painters & photographers express themselves. We strated talking about our travels and after the second cup ( We had been talking for nearly 1 1/2 hr ) I suggested that we should continue with our chat over coffee again but I can't have any more cups now. I joked about how too much caffine would make me run around the streets of NYC with high energy.

We EXCHANGED numbers and she left while I sat there for some more time going back to my reading. I called her the very same evening (again breaking a rule) after about say 5 hrs asking if she would like to join me for a drink. She said she was getting ready to meet up with some friends for dinner and then later to a club and that I was welcome to join. I told her I wasn't in the mood for loud music and would probably see her 2 days later at the same SB. We agreed on a time and she Flaked. I called her the next day, very casually, and she didnt pick up. I let that be. A day later she called me and gave a some reason for not showing up which I just didn't care for and didnt press her on it. I told her that I had a great time reading my magazines in peace now that she wasn't there to chat me up !! She laughed aloud. we agreed to meet in 1/2hr at a restaurant on Times Square opposite Morgan Stanley Bank ( I cant remember the name of the place, somebody help me here, its right opposite Morgan Stanley).

After lunch, she suggested coffee and I told her that we could go to her or my place and drink coffee and talk. She agreed and we went to her place which was a 30 mins subway ride (Don't Ask me names because I am still trying to figure it out) Anyways, we had coffee and chatted and she talked about her family, I dont know at what point but we got really close to kissing each other and I pulled back. I told her she was pretty but I didn't want to kiss her. (I guess I was doing it naturally but it turned out to be a great push and pull when she later told me how she felt). I made my exit after another 15mins of chatting and listening to music. We hung out for the next 2 days and she took me to some cool bars and restaurants and intro. me to some of her friends. On our second night out she told me that she was a runway model. I said Okay, it didnt matter to me even if she was the princess of England, to me she was a real person, who was fun & drug and drama free.

It was after the second night that we went back to my friend's place where I was living and had sex. She slept in and we had sex in the morning as well. I was getting ready to leave NYC for Chicago for a few days and we agreed to keep in touch.

She flew down to Chicago after a week and stayed with me. This time I was the host. We stayed in practically every day and had sex every single hour of the day. That was a great week and I'd leave only for work. Two weeks later I had to be in LA for 3 weeks and she visited me there for 4 days. Again needless to say everytime we part she comes back strong and more excited. ITS LIKE HYPNOSIS .

She knows that I'm seeing other people and is fine with it !!! This wasn't a pick up because I didnt use any rules or materials I learned from PUAs. This was just me being a regular and having a regular conv. with a girl and guess what it STILL WORKED !!!

I actually believe that the majority of game is inner game. If you are happy and friendly it will show. You sound like you had the right mentality, good for you.

That said though you do actually need to know about push pull techniques sometimes, but after a while they just become natural as you internalise them.

Well done mate

How was this not a pick up? Just because you did not follow any of the rules and/or material of PUA does not mean what you did is not considered a pick up. But you used PUA stuff anyway, because you had strong inner game, ie confidence, and froze her out whne she flaked on you. So what you did was what naturals do.

Well done. Sounds like fun.

I suspect she was a prostitute or stripper.

I See your point but lets put it this way, not every girl you speak with, network, or sleep or hang out with could be termed as a pick up. May be it could be But I since I was neither thinking about 'pickup' just having a normal fun conv. it which eventually lead to the relationship I termed it differently. There are names for everything in the pick up world and everything that I did some MPUAs could come out with some name like 'freeze-out' etc.. But it is what it is. I think you are right in pointing out that once you internalize this thing it comes naturally.
A prostitute who would not care to charge !!!! I dont think I am that interesting and great yet !!!!! But thanks for your thoughts. I am presently with this girl and know what she does for a living.

Is it prostitution?









just kidding!

Haha... You guys are obssessed with Strippers & Prostitutes

Kidding !!

Hello Marc,

Your post is amazing ! I have lots to learn from you guys. I'm new to the PUA community (a friend got me introduced). So my question to you is : you have pointed out in your post the places where you didn't follow PUA rules and broke them and it still worked. How come it worked even after these rules were broken. If without followin these rules you can still pick up then are these rules important? When can you stop following these rules?

Rules are funny things. Marc, you can say you didn't follow any rules, but did you?
Of course you didn't. Because asking what you do to a girl is boring and something an AFC would do. You don't realise it but you must've internalised this.
So you connected with this girl, another rule. Again, internalisation as you don't realise this is another rule.
Another rule - setting up a day 2.
You could say this is breaking a ruke - but then PUA contradicts itself! Make your own rules! Guess what, that's another rule
Great push pull
You could say you didn't follow rules, but then I could say you followed rules to an extent without realising asyou've internalised them and they become natural. So you natural you is a pretty smooth talker, sound and confident guy which is what PUA is about.

Good job man.

Runway model? That term died back in the early 70's. If you change Manhattan to a town like Novosibirsk or Kazan and Starbucks into a Кофе Хаус, I would yawn because that would be no biggie. However, Manhattan brings up a lot of flags.

You guys do know that working high-fashion girls tend to be REALLY young? That might be cool among Russians or Italians, but not Anglophiles.

Like I said, a PUA could read about everything I did and give a name to it haha

About the push-pull thing, Chief in one of his LR had said that he wanted to keep delaying the sex for fun and keep creating that 'excitement'. Kasabi is another guy in here who believes in making a girl crave for you. I like to create the sexual tension and push-pull (now w/o even thinking about it. PLUS The sex gets 10x better
Haash, learning never stops no matter how good you get, even the MPUAs would tell you that. If someone says that they 'know it all' doesnt have the slightest clue !! Like Kasabi said in one of his posts that unless you are like 35yrs or so and can pull women in all situations (say, club, bar, mall, fairs, all social events, etc..) you can't call yourself a true PU-Artist. I strongly agree with him, just because you get lays consistently and can pull women on a regular basis doen't make you an artist, there is much more to it.

Rules such as the 3 second rule, talking over your shoulder, not calling up too many times etc etc..that Mystery and the other guys in here have come up with are very helpful. These are good rules to follow when you are starting off because right off the bat they help you come accross as non needy and non desperate. So don't discount these rules. But as you progress, you start becoming this guy who lives in abundance, hence doesn't care a damn! You end up being in your own reality and being attractive not only to the opposite sex but also make a lot of good female/male friends in the process.

Hence, if you are starting off then I'd suggest to follow some rules for you to fall back on.


Really !! Think of me as traditional and old school in that case
Actually, it still is no biggie even if someone is a Runway Model or even a Princess. If you read my post you'd see that, I infact just played it down when I got to know that she is a runway model. I Think of them as another very good looking girl who gets hit on very often. And to attact & hook someone like that is kind of fun.

Guys who know me in here and have read my post would agree that my post isn't about bragging (there is nothing to brag about) Its just sharing with my fellow PUAs and MPUAs about all my experiences while I was on a break from the community/forum.

A thing or two to learn about (for beginners) is that you should learn to be compelling and interesting from the PUA world, have a backbone and always be open to possibilities no matter where ever you are. Dont bend your rules to accomodate a girl - If she flakes - freeze out, if she is acting up - let her know that you have standards, reward for good behavior, don't go chasing but let them chase you. Love women and treat them right.. Amen !!

More reports to follow.