Howdy all, this is my first 'report' and i expect it will be a hodge podge of information. Rather than just try to highlight the fact that I successfully Fclosed a HB9 (imo) on my trip here I want to try and focus on the aspects of my technique that both worked and failed. This will likely be a long post, bear with me.
Okay, so I'm in Toronto visiting family and decided to go out with my younger female cousin who happens to live here. We meet up and shorty there after her sexy friend shows up in this revealing top. I find her hot as shit, but barely acknowledge her. I figure this is a great time to start DHV'n so I start chatting up my cousin and making her laugh (we have a great connection anything i say makes her laugh, which is a real benefit... my cousin makes me look hilarious when we are out together). Anyway, sexy chick gets on her phone and somewhat disassociates from the group. It maybe be the AFC inside of me, but this makes me want to get her attention more so i start throwing neg's at her about how she thinks she is 'too cool to hang out with us' and similarly ask my cousin 'why she even hangs out with sexy chick (from here on out called SC)' and so forth. This works quite well and SC is laughing on the phone (she is doing some serious insurance work as she just bought a car the previous day) and apologizes [ioi].
Anyway, we get to our restaurant and sit down. I keep on trying to be Cocky Funny, something that generally works for me. I have both of them laughing with some consistency. My DHV techniques are still being employed, I am talking with everyone who enters our immediate area. I flirt heavily with the waitress even though she isnt anything special, but i want SC to see that im NOT flirting with her, just merely socializing.
After dinner we head back to my cousin's where i suggest to SC that we play some Wii. At this point i use a bit of kino to get her over to the Wii, I also use body positioning to make her view primarily of the TV and me (she is in the corner, the TV is infront of her and I'm inbetween her and the 'exit' - the way she would have to go if she wanted to go anywhere else in the apartment). We fuck around in Wii and I kick her ass, i neg her a bit more saying she should just quit now and let me play the computer.. that way she might at least enjoy things as a spectator. She's laughing at pretty much all of my cocky funny jokes at this point. I'm pretty sure she is into me. This is confirmed later in the night when we are at a comedy club. I suggest that we have some drinks and she agrees (we got a free shot ticket for entering the comedy show, which she agreed to take with me). No one else wants to drink so we split a pitcher. Not much of note happens during the show. The only thing to note is that kino, a more sexualized form of it, begins and escalates during the show. It's clear she is into me and if she is a smart chick, which I'd say she is (civil engineer or something, still a student too ^^) she knows im into her. Sadly after the show the parting is not well planned and she has to jet one way while I go the other with my cuz. I wanted to bring her back, or go with her.. but there was no real way without coming off as desperate for a hook up. I casually say good night to her and curse my bad luck.
NEXT DAY
Meet up with the cousin for some pool at a bar. She is with two guy friends and SC. I rush the scene with a HUGE ass grin on my face, make a huge gesture (point in their direction and 'bob' the head a bit) when i see them. I greet everyone and use a cute-nickname I created for SC the night before. She loves it, but tosses a bit of sas back at me. She is wearing a plaid top - somewhat like a lumberjack's jacket.. so i say as such. Everyone cracks up and i return to this joke throughout the night. We play pool, i suck but act like i'm having a great time. Again i flirt with the, much less attractive waitress who loves the attention, and i think this rubs SC the wrong way [I'll get back to this at the end where i highlight my strengths and weaknesses - told you long post
]. I DHV a bit more and order a round of drop shots for us all and a beer [I'll touch on this too]. At this point i figure my DHV / cocky funny / negs have gone on long enough and i need to build some 'comfort' with her or else all i have done is build attraction and nothing else. So i start some bullshit chit chat with her, I cant even remember about what. I try to really stare into her eyes, do some mirroring and so forth. It pays off, she is initiating kino (taken from my lead?). We have a few more drinks.. even the guys seem to 'like me' as they return the favor and buy me drinks. We bullshit more, and i try to DHV more inside the group conversation while not paying attention to SC. My approach is basically that her jokes, while funny are not as funny as anyone else's, her stories are a BIT more boring then others. In my mind this has two advantages 1. It shows her what I'm like when I am really interested / into someone's story etc and 2. makes her want to be MORE funny / interesting so she can attract me. Anyway, she has to use the restroom and I say i do as well. I grab her shoulders and tell her to 'lead the way.' Oddly enough, the bathroom is unisex and is just a series of stalls. Okay, whatever, on the way out we group up again and SOMEHOW i end up really in her personal space and it's clear she wants a kiss (you could see how she cocked her head, that she thought i was coming in for a kiss). I capitalize on the moment. AWESOME! hahaha.. I hate making out in bars / public (seems tacky) so i just keep it to a minimum, not sure.. but i think this makes her want me MORE. I make sure to keep my body posture in tact - dont look super excited / happy
. we return to the table and my cousin says lets go get NACHOS. i concur and as they walk out i go settle my CC tab. SC comes with and we get a few more kisses / kino in. I've felt her ass at this point and im NOT disappointed [have to visit this issue - i generally crack at these points and am WAY too complimentary imo]. anyway, we walk out and my cousin and her two guy friends are like a block away. I make some jokes about them ditching us and we walk down the street. I must have been holding her or something, cause a cabby is semi-staring at us. He must have thought we needed to get home, cause he kept giving me the 'let's go look.' Excellent idea i think, and i tell her ... something. Anyway we are in the cab about to go home and this chick gets up on me and straddles me. Whoa FUCK I'm thinking.. whatever I'm doing is WORKING (it was at this point i realized i had to try and post this experience). So I'm getting this nice lapdance in the F'n cab (At this point i want to declare that this chick is NOT an easy woman, and I in no-way-shape-or-form think she is a slut.. i think the techniques i employed just REALLY got her attracted to me).
We get to her place and lots of the details here are too personal to share ^^. SHe does put up some sort of anti-slut defense and I dont know how i pushed through, but we ended up getting it on 2x. Once as we went to bed and then once in the morning (love morning sex!!).
One bit of intimate information is that while she was giving me head I neg'd her about not being able to get me fully off (this is a bit personal, but i find most chicks suck dick at oral sex
). This paid off the NEXT night when unfortunately... really really unfortunately she was on her period, but VERY eager to show off her real skills. At this point I semi-knew she was looking up to me A LOT (i am 4 years older than her) and so i try to teach her how to deepthroat - okay, this IS very personal and very new to me.. but i took the initiative and remembered that in The Game some guy claimed to actually get PAID to teach chicks to do this, why the fuck not try. It was hard, but after practicing with my finger i asked her if she had ever 'opened her throat' like that. She was honest and said no, and then went to work... it worked. When do i get my paycheck?
haha.. okay, back on track here (again, sorry this is so long but i want to post it ALL).
After a hookup i always find the next day awkward. So after she drove me home i crashed on my brother's couch and later went to meet my cousin for some shopping, guess who is with her. YES! Long story short, I just did lots of cocky funny jokes - this is kinda my main tactic as i think im pretty good at making jokes / observations. I say we should go to a movie, but at the end of the night it is clear my cousin is pretty upset (family issues, not important to go into here) so i figure i should cancel the movie, be alpha / control the night and DHV by showing u care for family (SC and cousin are old / great friends). She agrees to stay in, but I'm noticing she is somewhat distant. I take this to mean she is kinda upset that I havent been nearly as into her as i was last night [i'll touch on this later, but it basically has to do with the fact that when i have a woman in bed i am VERY flattering. No "I Love Yous" but just lots of compliments... AFC move?]. That said, instead of rushing to her and trying to woo her i figure "let's try to 'freeze her out.'" My Cuz, her roomie, and SC all cuddle up on a queen bed to watch a stupid TV show. They invite me in, but i opt to bring a lone chair into the room and sit down. SC pretends to fall asleep, so i start asking her questions. The roomie (who i forgot to mention, i intially gave A LOT more attention then SC.. she came to the comedy show the previous night. When she saw us playing Wii she came over and joined us, and despite being unappealing to me (HB4) i give her LOTS of attention) tells me that SC is asleep. I say oh.. in a way that shows i DID want to talk to her, but because she was asleep she missed out on a great conversation (I though this was tricky.. and as you will read, i think it worked). Roomie gets up and leaves room, my cousin had also left due to a phone call... well, SC 'wakes' up and initiates a conversation with me. She actually REACHED out for me and clearly wanted to hold my hand. I couldnt resist, fuck she was cute.. so i reach over and hold her hand and spend a minute or two showing her that i DO still find her hot / sexy and want her. I realize what is happening and snap back into game mode, i dont know EXACTLY what i did, but i focus a bit more on the TV.. ask about my cousin (family issues remember, so concern makes me look good - though i actually AM concerned because I am very close to my family). She kinda gets cold again, so i go for the bigger freeze. I leave the room. This was a ballsy move on my part imo cause I did NOT want to lose this chick, but i also didnt want to be an AFC about it. It pays off, after 10 minutes she is like "well i gotta get out of here." I ask my cousin if i could stay at her place (i knew i couldnt as a guest had arrived... kinda forgot to mention this part but this post is F'n long enough already. i just did what i generally do with strangers - engage with them heavilly to kinda foster jealousy in my target). My cousin says of course - there is a couch etc, but i tell her I'm too old to sleep on my lil cuz's couch, but thanks. I turn to SC and ask for a ride home and she's like 'of course'. On the ride home she implies or asks if i am coming to her place, i kinda act surprised and say she is too tired to have me come over. This seemed to actually bug her a bit [need help to determine when im bugging a chick in a bad way and when im bugging her in a good way]. Anyway, i fumble and get all AFC saying of course i want to come over blah blah blah.. she's games me and is like too late you missed your chance. FUCK! i felt SOOOO bad, i wanted to cry
. I sucked it up, made one comment like - take me wherever you want me to be and then tried to phase shift (if that is what its called) and revist a topic we talked about before where i clearly had a high social value. Anyway, we ended up at her place ^^. Unfortunately it is a bad time of the month (i thought she was teasing me, she had a sexy ass thong on.. so she couldnt be on the.. oh right, tampons. This was awkward for a second, cause i was SURE she was teasing me and we were going to get it on). We didnt, but as i mentioned she had a VERY strong interest in trying out her oral skills... and that wasnt disappointing. at all.
OKAY, huge ass post. If you have read it all you are an impressive person.. cause i probably wouldnt have. However it is ALL ENTIRELY true. I sometimes read people's threads and question a lot of what they say.. however if you have met me you would quickly find out that i really value honesty. Anyway...
what i want to focus on is a few things that happened in the night. Here they are, please respond.
1. My best DHV tactic is to be 'fearless' and talk to ALL strangers who are relevant to my groups movements. This sounds confusing, but merely means i engage ALL waiters / waitresses, if a stranger has a dog I stop and talk to the stranger, basically if there is ANY reason to engage a stranger I jump on it. You'd be surprised but SC, and others, have commented on how 'social' i am and how i 'get along with everyone'
-what are your thoughts on this?
2. Building on my DHV approach, i show MUCH more interest in strangers then i do in my main target. As i hinted at, this has two benefits. It shows your Main target (MT) what it is like when you are intersted in / flirting with others and 2. gives you what i noted in 1.
3. What do you make of 'buying' shots for your group. Style seemed to suggest you should NEVER buy a girl a drink, and so i think he would disagree with this... but I can't help it. When i go out i like to buy drinks for people. I think it works, and it allows you to transition into a 'speech' where you get to discuss the fact that you dont REALLY care about money, but just want everyone to have fun. so 1. you look like you are 'above' money and 2. you HAVE money. This particular girl HAS money.. she is hooked up, and imo people with money like it when others have money 1. they feel less awkward about their money and 2. they are used to a particular lifestyle and they dont want to feel 'above' any potential mate. I seriously want opinions on this... im so torn on whether NEVER buy something for a girl or dont really worry about it.
4. Compliments. Okay, so once you have attraction and built comfort and it's clear she is semi-seduced... what do you make of compliments? It's clear you cant continually neg a girl once seduction has commenced (neg's during sex.. that sounds like a terrible idea). I tend to, or have often in the past, become WAY to complimentary. I often talk about how from the get go I wanted her (totally true, but why bring it up!). I think if you do this you are ruining your chance of any LTMR with the chick and setting yourself up to make the girl want a 1-1 relationship instead of something more open. Thoughts?
5. sexually related - if you can come off as 'more experienced' it might be worth it to try and use that elevated status and push. I sometimes am intimidated when with a very attractive woman, and i dont want to push her into anything she doesnt want to do (im not a dick... or i sure hope im not), but with this chick i was able to calmly nudge her into experimenting. One thing we tried was a 'no go' - fair enough, but she really took to my insight on oral sex. I swear her skills went up DRAMATICALLY after practicing on my finger. I ended up telling her that I was the one who learned something - never had my finger down a girls throat befor.. ^^), and she really liked that as it was ME who was learning, not her, ya right
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So, now that you have spent 5 hours reading this shit, please post your thoughts.
Oh, lastly - SC had recently learned how to 'read palms' and so i made her practice on me. After i got the gist (there are THREE, only THREE major lines to 'know') i said I'd give her a free reading - she loved this. Anyway, i highly suggest you learn how to mock-read palms. The kino is HUGE and it's just a lot of fun. Plus you can always revisit it later in the night, "oh, i should hvae told you about that (say she broke something), I read it in your palm earlier."
Anyway, I'm dead tired AGAIN cause we were up most of last night.. no sex, but we still had lots of fun. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, life is getting good
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