thanks man, I appreciate the reply.

I will be trying this out religiously and will report back the findings

thats very interesting with the greatest man belief. How did you develop this? Did you do well in sports, business accomplishments, have strong influence of friends etc or were you always like that?

Hey Stelar,

I tried the opener again:

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Cheers.

So Sat night I went out to clubs/bars and my goal was to open the first set I saw. I didnt care if the girls were fat, hot, tall, whatever. This helps me to get in a social mood. So I enter the club and open the first girls but they are leaving. They smile at me and invite me out with them to another club. I decline b/c there were too many girls in this club to leave. Goal accomplished (in a social mood). I then opened another 2 set (indirect) who were very receptive (smiling) but it fizzled.....i admit i gave up on the interaction.

I head upstairs to a really loud 2nd floor which is like a huge dancefloor with couches on the peripherary. I see a girl come out of the bathroom who is smoking hot! I open her indirect and its fucking on. Just opened with hi (smile). Teased her a little....and said lets go to the dancefloor. Im making intense eye contact with her and I pull her in and make out with her. I take her off the dancefloor to the couches.

Before we get there i say.....Listen I saw u over there and I thought u were fucking sexy......I wanna be completely honest with u......I wanna fuck u. Im just a really honest person and I think u are so fucking sexy.
She says to me.... I dont know I dont wanna just have a ONS with u and never see u again. (I was not sure what to say....her Anti-Slut defense was HIGH). Anyways I take her to the couch....run some routines....She starts kissing my neck and shit... I put her hand on my dick. Logistics screwed me tho, she was driving three of her friends. I got her # and were going on a date tonight.

GUYS what do u do when u tell a girl u wanna fuck her and she's like.....ahh Im not that type of girl.....or Im not looking for a ONS....???? How do u get past the Anti-Slut defense?

Always use the word "honest" with women.

YOU MADE ONE CRITICAL MISTAKE.

YOU CREATED RAPPORT. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A ONE NIGHT STAND DO NOT CREATE RAPPORT.

PLAYING ROUTINES ON A WOMAN WILL MAKE A WOMAN BELIEVE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN KNOWING AND CONNECTING WITH HER AND SHE WILL WANT TO DATE YOU.

DIRECT + SEXUAL - RAPPORT = ONE NIGHT STAND
SEXUAL + RAPPORT + (PLAYFUL) = DATING ( RELATIONSHIP)

Also when a women says : "I don't know" it means "I want it too , but I don't want to admit it". It this situation persist by being sexual.

Good advice man.

Im gonna cut out the rapport next time.
Guys... after u deliver this how would u reply to these 3 responses:

1. I dont know
pushing didnt help me here... (logistics were bad with her)

2. No, Im not that type of girl

3. I dont even know u

If you deliver it as I do it , those responses should not arise.

Those kind of responses are specific responses if logistics are bad. A woman that wants to fuck will never give those responses.

It depends how she says it. If she is serious or just shit testing.

With time you'll get refinement and it will go smooth.

Stelar, your method can be fun, I have tried this many times. It has a lot of variables, the great thing about it is that there is no beating around the bush and its SEXY AS FUCK TO SOME WOMEN. But it has to be done by a man with extreme confidence, to be pulled off properly, something I am certain not a lot of people on this site have.

I also notice this style does not have a high efficiency ratio ( for me at least) I found that if I observed a woman enough first and she gave me a lot of IOI's then this method was effective. But you are suggesting just walking right up to them, all though I appreciate the boldness. I can't see this working at a very high percentage. Women need time to size a man up.

Also you suggest that building rapport will not get you the ONS. I disagree, rapport is basically setting some sort of comfort. There is many different levels of rapport. You can be sexual as fuck and still establish a rapport. If a woman is not completely wasted, she need a sense that she will be safe, even if you will be cuming on her tits/face within the hour.

I do like your style, fortune does favor the bold. Some people can pull it off, I could try it with 100 women and have everyone of them flake and not have my confidence affected at all. So for someone like me, this style is fun/cool/hot, but for anyone at a mid or beginning level of P.U. This style may be more harmful then good.

Being bold and sexual never fails. But knowing the right time to do so is essential.

Keep going though man, your style is cool. I think it is great for any advanced PUA.

I look forward to hearing more stories.

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You are missing 2 key points.

1. I try to make the woman " rationalize my sexual desires " and she will give me an honest answer.

2. Importance of the takeaway. This is what makes the deal ( it is not mandatory if she is open from the start )

Thank You.

Stelar, thanks for sharing. Do you only apply this method when girls are on their own and near the closing time of the club? Do you have an eye-contact first before you approach and say the line?

The later the hour the bigger the chances and I do not always get eye contact ; i just approach who I want.

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Stelar, thanks for all the advice it helps out newbies like me.

Does this only work with random girls? I would like to try this and there's a girl I'm thinking of who although I know fairly well and have made out with we are not great friends or anything, more like in-touch acquaintances.

Also, for this to work does it have to be your opener? Or can you say it sometime when she has an especially high buying temperature or when it just *feels* right.

Thanks!

If you want to fuck her , say "exchange orgasms"
If you want to date her , say "know you"

It doesn't have to be your opener , you can say it whenever you feel like it.

You can use it on cold approaches or even when building comfort. However if she is in the company of friends and they can hear you it is wise to say "know you".

Once you understand the logistics of seduction you will become great.

I will tell you it takes time and effort to master such an advanced technique. Read all my posts to get a better idea of what I am teaching.

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@SexAddict - Something I would like to add is that this IS actually meant for everyone. Doing this will build confidence because the reaction you get from the girl is rewarding enough to continue to do it and get better.

IMO this is for the simple PUA not advanced. All you need it confidence, a few lines and learning how to respond which will come with experience.

And because of this mindset by Stelar, I have two potential lays this week lined up it is just a matter of avoiding flakes now + getting through any ASD.

I have never thought I had 'extreme confidence' but I can do it and can't thank Stelar enough the world seems so simple now.

@RonnyC - Although eye contact is good, do not wait for it. It will just fuel your AA.
Stelar may say something different but you should try this on randoms first if you've never been bold before. Get some experience then you will know how to maneuver with someone you know.

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Dude if this has worked for you, at a beginning level, then all the power to you. You're on your way to becoming a true PUA. But i promise you, this technique is not good for beginners. One must understand women on a complex level and be able to successfully pre-read a woman to continuously pull this style off. If you were doing this technique, why wouldn't you have already of gotten laid. Having potential lay's means they did flake.( according to this style) His technique is lay that night or don't lay at all. I am a little confused.


Also this technique would rely on looks, it would have to. That's basically all you are showing, anyone can be bold, but if it's just a brief bold opener, looks and boldness is all the woman has to go on. Boldness alone will not get a man laid. If a women decides to go have sex with a man she doesn't even know or had a chance to size up, you can sure as shit believe she finds him extremely attractive. Sure the boldness may help but if she doesn't find the man sexy, she's not just gonna go fuck him. unless she is a troll. If an attractive women is bold enough to just go fuck a dude after not even chatting with him, she will be bold enough to pick and chose what man she wants and maybe even go pick him up herself.

Basic laws of attraction.

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Stelar, what country are you from and what city are you doing this in? There is a good chance there is a cultural difference that may be influencing my disbelief on how consistent this can be. I also would like to know on average, how many girls flake in a night before you find one that will leave with you.?

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