Yes they do. It was a chicken race more or less. If you are not sure about your sexuality then feel free to be afraid. I am sure and I dont care so cut the crap.

Havocc.


I just broke up with her. Well not really a breakup. But I willingly went into the LJBF zone. There was not enough attraction to move forward and doing so would only damage our relation. I realized that I wasnt in love with her and she felt the same way.

Logically we both feel that we would fit together but there just isnt enough attraction. And I dont see her very often since we live in different parts of the world. This means that I will be out of her life for a while (like not physically there) and its just stupid to start something. Not changing anything is bad as well since in that case it feels like we tried and it didnt work.

I prefer to take a step back and see what happens. If things doesnt work out anyway I have kept the friendship (something that is worth 1000 times more than a good fuck). Taking a step back removes the pressure and we can both figure out how we really feel about each other. And I think Im more seductive when there is no pressure. She has the time to idealize me and miss me.

At least its easier to get out of the LJBF zone than it is to sarge a girl who you cannot meet without having a lot of painful memories.

Good response. Having this kinda contact leads to this
which is what I was getting at in my original post.

I questioned you because reading through your posts it seemed like you were having some inner game issues and didn't want you to fall into the same trap.

Thanks for understanding man!

I guess Im setting the long trap.

this is not meant to be insulting, but I think when you finally got to the sex you were in over your head and the wheels fell off your game.

this is just a lack of experience. It sounds trite, but simply must get laid more and practice various things, its the only way. Go use all your button pushing to actually pick up women in bars instead of focusing on one. Focusing on one is for older guys who have already learned some techniques.

tactically, you must improve oral sex skills, and also sexual dominance, so that you can go for the intercourse.

Dependng on the girl, she may or may not have gone on that other date afterwards, but as an alpha male with no jealously issues who already fucked her, that guy was just getting sloppy seconds. Instead of feeling dumped and abused, you could have been laughing at the guy instead.

okay, well just a quick reference to 'the game' (i know i know its old material) but style said that with his fb, sexual feelings developed into an attachment on her part.

so maybe, if you keep the fb relationship, make it fun, with small moments of intimacy (mainly her opening up to you), and not trying to make things exclusive, maybe she'll end up being the one who develops advanced feelings? just a thought...

EEeeeh, no.

Im not insulted but it has nothing to do with me not being able to have sex with girls. It has to do with me idealizing this one for about 8 years and when it finally got to the point where it could happen I realized that I didnt do it for the right reasons.

Im fine doing women, I'm not aware of any alpha males that kiss men but each to their own.

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Yeah!

You will get to the point where this does not scare you if you get your inner game built up allright.

That is not even worth a reply but I will give one.

On second thought, I wont.

Wow !! This thread picked up fire while I was gone !! What started off as valuable info. sharing between a few guys on how a PUA thinks and reacts has now been turned into a Gay by the late posters !! Lets start off with the constructive feedback first
So true, for the new PUAs this is what you should be reading. It goes back to developing a healthy lifestyle and enjoying life. And when you are truely happy with your own life, women get attracted automatically. You can't go around seeking validation or a woman's approval - thats a downward spiral.

Right I have reached out to Jon once or twice in the past. He is very good and has has also been on the dark side of relationships. He has valuable advise and hence I feel a little bad about disagreeing with him on his views on Text Messages in one of his post. But I'm sure he would take it in the right spirit and appreciate a different prospective.
The original poster (I have read his posts) is a pretty good PUA and the number of women he must have slept with is higher than the number of sets you must have approached in your life.... Don't mean to call you a man whore Ezo But...Do you mean to say that Gay men are not Alpha Males !! What has being Alpha got to do with ones sexual preferance. An Alpha male is a protector of love ones, leader of men, someone who can take charge in crisis some one who is a provider. And what has all this got to do with ones sexual preference !!
Smart move man ! Its better to back off and then try to ignite the attraction rather than trying to plow through. But whom am I giving advise to you are already a better PUA, and know all this stuff. I should be learning from you instead
I had to read this twice and now I have tears from laughing hard This is helarious!!! - I'm sure sex is not the problem BrianTampa

Thank you man! I am happy that we can skip the gay stuff and go into the real PUA lesson that can be learned here.
Why not??? It brings tears to my eyes, its the best thing anyone has ever called me.

And no, of course a gay guy can be alpha as well! I just went with my prejudices, my bad.

Marc & Ezo, Thanks. I benefitted from your discussion. You guys broke down everything and explained it in some more detail.