This is my FR and LR report reposted from The Sanctuary


FR: Evil Cheesburgers wreck SNL, redStack getting better though
« on: June 08, 2008, 09:01:27 PM »

This is an advanced post PM me if you have questions

Good things
redStack, Push pull, comfort game, grounding, sexual qualification, keep sexual tension high, awesome wing, smooth initial logistics, great venue, hot kinky chicks

Need to work on
Be smoother, delivery, be more dominant, perfect my stack, probably could have aroused her more in the (third base) venue, and the killer of SNL’s: fucked up endgame logistics.

Cycle, we HAVE to plan our endgame better.

Goal for the night
Primary goal: SNL
Secondary goal: solid day 2

How I’m Gaming these Days
So I am working redStack these day’s and I have been working my delivery, so instead of the flashier MM attraction game, I am doing little bits of attraction and teasing and push pull, and trying to DHV/Ground through the redStack. It’s funny, this was a three plus hour set, I was pretty good on material the whole time, and I only have my stack about 25% memorized, so there is plenty of room for improvement.

By the way one thing that I used that never failed to get a good response was the seemingly high risk “shock and awe” opener. Credit Ciarran
“Hi”
“Hi”
“How’s it going?”
“Good”
“What are you guys doing later”
“Blah blah/I don’t know . . . .”
“You should come home with me.”
Hold/vaccum > good response.
Super easy, fun, and always got good responses. Never got the instant makeout that Ciarran mentioned, but it’s fun, easy, and helpful. KJ’s are like, “dude, that shit will never work”, but it’s actually stupid easy. Sometimes threw it in mid set too.

I’ve been rehearsing in the mirror, which has cleaned up my delivery A TON. Also, as recommended by ET, I’m doing and acting class which also helps a lot with delivery, emotionality, smoothness. I also do Alexander technique which has been helping with the body language. I also do improv, which helps with listening and focusing on the target, and some other things. Actually pretty soon here, I need to shift focus, because most week’s I spend more time rehearsing and going to these various classes than I do in the field. But it’s helped. I don’t spend much time on the forums. Usually just Sinns/ET’s/CJ’s blogs

One thing that I run into with the redStack is that the attraction pieces don’t hook as good as the typical canned community stuff for me yet. Part of that is delivery and practice. One thing that I am really focusing on is my feelings in my body as I deliver. If it doesn’t feel good for me to say it, then it won’t make her feel good to hear it. Also, I try to push sexual state, but at 37, if I don’t work out for a week and then smoke and have a few drinks that’s harder to do. More motivation to do the right thing and stay healthy.


The Venue
I was in a pretty good mood going out. I have a bit of a “clocking in” mentality but when I get to the venue, I try to have fun. I snicker dissmissively at blow outs, look at things strategically, manage the alcohol consumption and keep things moving forward.

I was out Friday with Cycle at a monthly Art/Singles thing. The event has become sort of PUA central here in Chicago and a bit of a free-for-all.

Cycle is always doing SNL game, and tonight I was too, so we are both in sync and running in parallel. We work well together, and can communicate well in set. A big part of that is that we both did 1-1’s with El Topo, so we speak the same language, that makes a HUGE difference when finding a wing. Plus, he’s really cool, and nasty good at game too.


First 15 minutes
Cycle was gaming a two set, I came in and occupied. I had already chatted up Cycle's target before and my chick opened easily.

Her BT was pretty good when I came in because some other PUA had been gaming her and moving her around, but then he number closed and left so, thanks man, if you are reading this.

So I am doing Ground/DHV ala red stack, but sometimes I am almost doing Juggler» method with the banter, just talking about what I like and asking Fat questions, then qualifying her on the answers and escalating, then pushing away to keep the tension high. Again this stuff isn’t hooking as good or spiking BT that much, but it’s quicker into comfort and you start grounding sooner.

So I go comfort> push/pull > comfort > tease>sexual frame> . . . . repeat (no special order there, just try to flow.)


Roosters Diagnostic
So one thing that ET told me was that I come off as too intense. Fucking EVERYBODY tells me that. I’ve been doing meditation to help it but ET also said that I need to address it explicitly early on in set as soon as it hooks.

This set was good because this was really the first time that I’ve done the addressing my intensity thing and it actually worked this time. I told her about five minutes in:

“Look, let me level with you.” (move in/lower tonality which got her full attention)
“Just . . . the way I was raised it was really rowdy, and my Dad was such a cowboy, and my brother and I always running around, getting in and out of trouble, it made part of me really rowdy and intense, and . . . . (mini-qualifier) “look . . . . I’m an intense guy . . .”

(Here sort of non-verbal check in/mini qualify with body language and facial expression, just sort of half smile, head cocked to the side and open palms as if you are saying : you know what I mean. And pause) She smiled and nodded, and had a bit of a non-verbal comfort spike in her body language, which is compliance.

“And I love it, because my job is really competitive, and I have to be on point all the time, and that edge makes it possible for me to operate at that level . . . .” Then relax/ pull back, and change state to more chill smoother tonality

“But there’s that other side of me, where I love to just relax, and it reminds me of good times back home down South and it’s like there’s these two sides of me . . .”

Everything went better from then on out, but there is more which I omitted, because I had already gotten the effect. I have to check that out in my stack actually.

More first 15 minutes – specific material
So here are two specific frames/stack pieces from my stack in the first 15 minutes:

-Growing up with two sisters>Society’s roles don’t fit>let that wilder side out.
-I’m good at reading people with first impressions

Also slipped in a bit of an ancient SS» pattern, because it fit her so well, said that I can tell from her eye’s and the way that she talks that she is a bit of a visual person. She agreed/complied. Continue with: and I bet if you think of something that you really want, you can see a big image of that right in from of you (frame my face with my hands and have ambiguous intent) She agreed and got way more chatty.

Asked her what she would do if money were no object. I told her mine first. She went off with this answer and gave me plenty of stuff to qualify her on, she talked for two minutes straight about stuff she wanted to do.

I qualified later with the bit about: Wow I totally underestimated you when we first met, but . . . blah blah blah, you are amazing. Ok you have inspired me to give you this test> Strawberry fields.


The bounce
We get interrupted, Cycle and his chick are ready for the bounce, we scatter a bit as they mill about and say bye to their friends I finally round everyone up and go into “Pull Mode” ala Sinn, and start getting everyone outside. She re-initiates the Strawberry fields which we do sitting down out front waiting for a cab. In retrospect there was too much dicking around in the transitions, and as the report will show, it was fucked up logistics and one other thing to be mentioned that blew the SNL.


Going more Sexual
So Strawberry fields goes well, and she qualifies herself sexually and starts talking about sex. Say’s she has a high sex drive. (good thing) When we get in the cab, I try to up the kino and put her in my lap, but she resists a bit, so I pull back and we are all just bantering. We bounce to the Xbar in an upscale hotel, and get a round of drinks. The girls go piss, and when they get back the drinks are there, we toast and isolate our respective chicks within sight of each other and start escalating.

I do the El Topo thing about sexual dominance, and she’s off to the races chatting. I start showing sexual nervousness, and pulling her in and pushing her away and saying what are you doing to me. Always trying to keep the tension as high as possible, and rebuild it when it breaks with dq’s, which get her laughing, in a good way.

I do the almost kiss, which is just so money, and alternate pushing and pulling verbally and physically. Keep upping the kino. To Cycle: you asked how I kept making her laugh, mainly it was sexually qualifying her and then pushing her away. Later, we had some genuine commonalities, so we were building comfort in a fun way.

At one point we do the almost kiss again, and she’s like, “I’m not going to kiss you.” To which I said “ I’m not going to LET you.” Which threw here for a loop, and she was like nonverbally “We’ll see about that. . . . “ 10 minutes later she went for the kiss, and I pulled back, but then I pushed her up against the wall and made out with her. The whole time waiting for just the right moment to push her away to keep the sexual tension high.

One challenge that I was concerned about is that this chick was talking so much, it was tempting to just let her blab, but I had to force myself to get in there, just to maintain some emotional dominance. Occasionally disagreeing to keep from sounding like a pollyana.

We move around, check out the view, I throw in a little fantasy future adventure projection just for filler. Probably should and gone more future plans. I really need to plan out my comfort better, but that’s what my stack is for. I’m still learning it.

Needless screwups
At some point I made a HUGE stupid fuck up when she asked about my age, and for no reason I lied, it’s weird because I never do that. I not only lied but I flinched, then she said the year, and got it wrong, but I agreed, then did the math and had to change it. I played it off like a tease, but it was a huge pointless fuck up. It fucked me up later too as I went into my grounding routine because some of it is based on major dates and events, and I kept pausing to censor to keep it congruent. One lie leads to ten more, it’s a huge pain in the ass.


Evil Food/Too much blood in the alcohol stream
Another thing that fucked us up was that the chicks were hungry. So we ate there in the bar, and that was the fucking sledgehammer destroyer of buying temperature. One minute we are all chatting away scarfing on Cheesburgers and making plans to go back to Cycles house (seduction location) and play Wii, (in my opinion not the best bounce, but at the time the chicks were way into it and we were talking shit about who was going to win.) Once the food kicked in the girls almost completely sobered up, and drunk and smiley turned into to tired and boring. I go to mention the bounce again, and the chicks are like “video games?!?!?” fuck that.

Second huge logistical error, my house was a wreck and I didn’t want to pull them back to my place. No excuse. It sucks to because we bounced to a bar right by my house and it would have been easy to park in front and just pop in for some stupid reason, and then start escalating.

As we were leaving I say to Cycle, “This shit is falling apart man, we are in day two land.”

Second Bounce to “Third Base”/ Damage Control
In the car my chick was driving and she played an MP3 that was awesome, I’m like, I like this song, who is it? And she’s like It’s me. I was truly impressed and complimented her, but then I did it two more times over the next few minutes, and the third time her “thank you” was weak and I needed to put in a release, but we were getting out of the car, and it would have been awkward to yell out “too bad your half polish” or whatever, so as we go into the venue, I need to reestablish dominance. I sort of get some distance and she comes back to me.

The vibe is good, but I just needed something to shift the dynamic. The following came up:
Cycles target saw a friend and went over and sat down with them. My target wants to join, and we go over and I start chatting up one of the guy’s. He’s totally cool, and intro’s me to his friend. Who get’s a call, I joke “booty call?” and my chick is like “NO, guy’s in this neighborhood don’t do booty calls” This next part might have been a fuck up but it seemed to recapture some of the BT that had dissipated after. CJ might have said to ignore it, but whatever. I turned to her and looked at here like she was retarded and I was like “What are you TALKING about?” She tries to defend her statement, and I kept up the dominant vibe, and she finally got more submissive with her tone, and then I was like “Ohhhhhh “ I see what you mean, and found a way to agree, and the vibe was better than before. Not the textbook way to do it, but I felt like I needed to do something. Maybe it helped, but we were in Day2 land.

Parting Ways/Not thighs )c:
So soon after it's last call, the lights come one and the chicks “have to get up early” so we walk them to the car. My chick goes for the kiss, and I do the tension push away thing. This night was the best I have done with managing the sexual tension, and it was my victory for the night.

I wander home, but that god- damn fuck machine Cycle heads to a 4am bar, still looking for an SNL.

Epilogue
Follow up: I had a solid number and a good text exchange on Saturday (El Topo text opener, see his blog), and we were headed to close the deal on day two. Then I guess she remembered the age thing because on Sunday she texted me and asked my exact day/year/time, and city of birth. So weird, I tried too play it off but she hasn’t responded. I’ll give her a follow up, but don’t have much expectation.

So this set had highs and lows. It’s fucked up how something that is looking like a sure thing double pull SNL can degrade to nothing in a matter of time. Live and learn.

UPDATE:
She just called and it's on It's looking good for a super solid day two with a hot kinky chick. This time she's a real bisexual, not a chicken-shit wannabe bi like my ex.




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LR: Evil Cheesburgers, Chick is a model
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Follow up Lay report

The wednesday after we went to MCA I took HbNudeModel out for Lunch. At lunch I was like fuuuuck, she was waay hotter than I thought. Her body is like a cartoon character.

We talked on the phone. She kept shifting off the sexual frame and talking about how she wasn't "like that."

Then she said that she had two personalities, her daytime personality and her nighttime personality. That gave me anchor to her two subpersonalities, so that I could talk directly to the badgirl personality and build it up and elicit it whenever I wanted.

We skipped doing anything that weekend, but then made plans for Dinner the next Friday, She came over to my house after work, we hung out a while, and I closed the deal before we even went out for dinner.

Actually, she closed me, I kept alternating comfort, sexual tension, kino, and takeaways, until she finally jumped me.

Funny note, we never really kissed until she jumped me. Just little light quick makeouts and me doing pushsways, and only even about three of those between meet and sex. More often, I would get really close to her smile, drop tonality, and vibe sexual/dominance then pull back and go comfort vibe and change the subject like nothing happened.

When I first picked her up, I went for the hug and she turned her head to avoid the kiss, but at the end, after I kept building tension and getting close, She finally just boiled over and jumped me. Obviously zero LMR.

One big key was building physicality in my apartement. I have this balance board/snowboard trainer that I make them do. It's like a fun little activity, and I hold her hips from behind as they do it. Just trying to avoid sitting around talking. That's from Brad P, and it always helps. Start a pillowfight if you have to, that leads to tickling, then pushaway so and dial it down and go back to talking, presto, instant tension.


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