So I didnt plan to 'sarge'. My friend just asked if I wanted to go to hooters (he had some like 25$ free card) for lunch. We go and get seated when the MOST beautiful waitress comes up and introduces herself. This is about the time i decided I'd be mad if i didnt at least try (I know hired guns are a no no).

So she asks us for our drink orders and goes and gets them. When she comes back my friend asks her if the 25$ card would work to pay for our lunches (he got it from a manager at that hooters but it was handwritten on the back of a card). The Waitress says shell go check and goes back to ask her manager.

She comes back with this worried look on her face and is like "she said <pause> it will, haha i really had yall going didnt i?" I tell her OK we are going elsewhere to eat, thanks for the drinks when she stops and reiterates she was joking. She then tells us shes taking acting lessons and starts chit chatting about common people we know (p.s. i live in TX not cali so aspiring actresses arent a dime a dozen).

The whole time we are waiting for our food she is sitting with us and ignoring her other tables. She brings that up in conversation so I neg her w/ a smile and say "then you better leave us and get to work" she smiles and says no shes having a good time with us. I also had been to hooters 2 days earlier and actually saw a lesibian fight so i asked her if she worked that night and told her about the fight she was SO into hearing about it and she even went as far as to find a few of her hooters friends who worked that night to get the whole story which she relayed to us.

She goes and gets the meal and i neg her again (earlier she had talked about going to the doctors yesterday) saying "she better not have coughed on my food i dont wanna get sick"

She negs me back saying "Oh I didnt I licked it" then she starts apologizing saying she shouldnt have even joked about that so I try to neg again saying I'd like her to take the food back and a new waitress. We all had a good laugh. So I'm feeling pumped and ask her if she wants to play a game she agrees.

I do the 5 questions game and she hadnt played it before but sure enough she wins the game. It didnt help that my friend who didnt know it kept answering the questions first and then shed do the opposite. He actually lost the game and she won (but i didnt invite him to play LOL!!). So i agree to give her a bigger tip (cause that was the wager her tip).

As we are leaving i do AFC thing and introduce myself to her and my friend and say we would like something to remember her by. She agrees so i give her her pen and ask her to draw us something on the back of our recipt. She says she cant think of anything to draw so i agree to help her and put the DASHES showing i wanted the #. She says "how does that help my drawing?"
me: "I say fill in between the dashes"
her: <she clicks her pen like 20 times real fast> "I still dont know what to draw"

I Knew she knew what i wanted so i just tucked my tail between my legs and said "Im gunna just abort right now" and she instantly threw the pen down and said sorry.

I Dont know what i did wrong and I know you cant trust IOI's from hired guns but we talked about NOT normal hooters flirting things. We talked about our lives and people we knew and i negged a lot like i was suppose to, but in the end i still failed.

PLZ HELP!

Hooter waitresses are the easiest! But you have to know how to go about it. First of all you didn't show any DHV. Think about it they have guys hit on them all day long. So what you must do is do the opposite.

Example:
This is how my last F-close with a hooters waitress went. I went in with a co-worker and sat down. She comes up to us... by the way HB8 beautiful eyes and hair. I was like whoa!... but i didn't give her any attention at first. I acted like i was on my phone and just ordered a water. She comes back and we order. I tell her what I want and look away. NO EYE CONTACT at first. Thats what she will want. Dont give her what she wants or what she is used to. Before she comes back I drink all of my water so when she says do you want some more water I said yea for like 5 minutes in a real cocky way. Shes says whatever you weren't waiting 5 minutes. She stands there for a second waiting for me to talk to her again (wanting more attention from this guy who isnt giving her any) I said umm water?! She responds Your a jerk! I just laugh. I give her a couple IOI's followed with some IOD's. She is eating out of my hand before I leave...but I dont ask her for my phone number. Why? Because asking for a number at hooters in displaying DLV because everyone does it. So I give her a challenge I say If you can guess my middle name it starts with an N I will stop being a jerk but you have only 3 times. By the way after my first IOI I give her kino, so by now she is kinoing me like crazy. She doesn't get my name. We are about to leave and I say guess it by next time I come in and I will show you something cool. More IOI's from her and I just leave.

Why did I leave? Because she isn't going anywhere she WORKS THERE! Plus no phone numbers will be given there unless she has more comfort and she knows your not a creep.

I go back (2 days later) she guesses by then. I give her less IOD's and more IOI's but I am still putting her in her place by giving her IOD's when she gets too cocky. When I am about to leave I use Style's move by ripping a piece of paper in half and giving her my number first, I say before I give her mine I say your not a stalker are you. She laughs. She says no. I say well you seem alright I don't give my number to just anyone so we will hangout next week then and she writes down hers. Remember don't give her an option in any situation because she will more likely say no then. If she senses you are not the Alpha male you have no chance. Remember you are the prize not her! Happy Sarging!

Oh yea I did F-close the following week with a romance movie and a bottle of wine! **hehe it makes the panties melt off**

cool, now i know how to # Close, rip of a piece of paper, write your number on it, ask her "your not a stalker are you?". Don't give a option to her, Say " I usually don't do this, But you seem like a nice person." Be the Alpha Male. good thing i got this.

Also don't tell her anything just hand her the other piece of paper, she will know what to do. Don't ask or tell her to draw something... I'm sorry but that was horrible, but you live and you learn. Become the Alpha male!

I dont think Niuban's method for the #close was entirely bad... but i do think The_Venusian_Prince has a point with how you weren't being alpha enough. Although you did DHV, throw a few negs and played the questions game... you need something extra when it comes to hooters girls because most of them will feel like an HB10.

She said she was an aspiring actress right? you should have negged her on how bad her acting was. If she looks like she is giving you an IOI she probably isn't... remember that she gets paid to socialize... and the more IOIs she gives you, the more tip you most likely will give. She is working you the whole time... so you need to spit extra game and boost up the negs (don't mistake them for insults)

Here's an example from The Pick Up Artist on VH1- Brady says "Where are all the hotties? I heard this place was suppose to be good on friday night"

that is perfect for hired guns.... so do a variation of that and it's gold.

Also you know what, you need to treat her like a normal person, or possibly even less. You need her to qualify to you so maybe when you're talking you could ask her opinion on things but keep more eye contact on your friend. Turn your head when she's talking maybe (try not to be a jerk about it, make it seem natural... it'll be alpha)... or look around like you're not entirely interested.

You really do need her to qualify though, not in a fake hooters/hired gun kind of way. So you need to put her in her place and act as if you are better than her.

Here are some negs I would use:

PUA: "so you say you're an actress right? so everything that you're saying to us right now is fake?"

(that should come to her as a shocker and she'll instantly qualify... which you can then neg her on it or not accept it entirely... because if you accept that she wasn't acting then she feels like she won)

PUA: "You know what, I never understood why so many guys go to hooters. There are beautiful women everywhere we go, I just dont think guys take out the time to have genuine conversations with any of them."

(that's a DHV and shows that you have more options than just her. I would rephrase that though, word for word that's not good... but i'm too lazy to think of what i'd actually say on the spot... remember that negs are always situational)

PUA: "Yea I remember my friend really wanted to become a hooters waitress. She definitely had the look for it, the body and the face was absolutely perfect, she was a 10 in my book. She was a very educated girl though, and I think she realized that she has a lot more going for her than just her looks... so she decided to take up engineering. Right now she's in her second year in college at ____ (top ivy league school)"

(this makes the HB look like she is DLV by being a waitress. Also that you have hot female friends which is social proof. You can then neg her later by saying "you're an 8 I guess" *smile*. the fact that you said "i guess" will get you unbelievable results...)

PUA: "That reminds me... I know this very cute girl who has been a waitress for about 4 years. Back in high school her and her friend had a huge crush on me. It was funny because they would always fight about me and I was never interested in either of them (blah blah blah)"

(by telling a story like this, it shows that girls want you. Women want a man who women will be jealous of... so you need to look like thousands of girls are lining up just to be with you.)

Every single PUA needs to be an alpha male. It's the key to it all. Women will follow when you are truly alpha. You need to master when to DHV, when to Neg, when to freeze people out, etc.... Eventually you'll be that person you've always wanted to be.. and you'll have people lined up to hang out with you, be your friend... and of course.... f-close you. You just gotta be alpha....

alpha alpha alpha

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

I appreciate the tips... I feel like a tool now...

As for being alpha male i figured I was since she was spending all the time at OUR table no one elses and my friend who was with me said maybe 2 words the whole time. I also didnt figure she was "working us" because we knew all the same people and she seemed like once she found out we had a lot of friends in common she started to talk about mutual friends instead of normal "hooters" waitress crap small talk.

After we left just like casual said I told my friend I shoulda negged her on the aspiring actress... I told him after she said "im taking acting lessons i had yall fooled right?" I shoulda replied something like "maybe good enough to be on a soap opera" or something like that.

As for the eye contact I made a point to try and keep eye contact w/ my pal as we talked. I'd look at her as she looked over towards me then go back to him.

I totally agree i didnt DHV enough but i still think i dhv'd some. Once I got home I thoughht to myself... I definatly should have at least done the whole "you know why you and I wouldnt get along" stuff to try and raise my DHV. But alas live and learn =(

I appreciate ALL The pointers you guys gave given. Casual you gave me a LOT of fucking stuff to remember and Venusian I promise yer advice wasnt lost upon def ears.

Hey dude, dont ever feel bad about tyring. You tried here with all you had and thats all you can do. As I have continually read and have learnt from a tiny amount of experience, going out and trying this stuff is the key to success. I read a really good quote once. It was in (The seven habbitsof highly effective pople By Steven R Covey, a fucking brilliant book) and it is somthing like,

Never fer failure only fear the absence of the correctoin of failures.

Its funy, at the moment I am half way through a teaching degree and all they teach us when we are on our practical experience is that we should reflect on our learning so that we become better teachers. When teaching I incorperate the above quote into my teaching philosophy so that I never get too down on myself if I fail at a particular teaching aspect when attempting it for the first time. Since I have been trying this stuff (pick up)I use the same philosophy and it help tons. Occoasionally I dont live to this phososphy when sarging and that is when i get donn on myself, coidence I think not!!
So, remember that when you are trying new stuff there is a good chance it might not work because you might not know when to do it, but, the only thing you really have to worry about is not properly analysing it so that you can improve for next time. In this sitution you have done the right tihing, you tried the stuff then analysed it here and have asked for help (A major step for all successful learners. All of the best students ask question constantly) .

I have also found this philosophy great for breaking approach anixety.

Learn like you are going to live forever, live like you are ogng to die tommorow.

Peace borhter, happy sarging