OK so went out on my first official sarg since discovering the world of PUA.

first set, two HB 7's. Jealous gf opener, one kept looking at friends so I brought her into the convo more to anchor them both there. My friend came in and we had a good set. I tried to then show disinterest a little, because I think my flaw is always being too keen, talked to my mate about leaving and where we would go next, and both girls said "nice meeting you" and walked off. WOOPS! lol

Went to a new bar, met up with a few other mates, we were all talking when 2 HB10's and an 11 (like wow damn!) walked in and sat down. I thought, fuck it, and approached. Opened with Jealous gf, HB 11 straight away said, "yeah what ever", I turned to her and said...."oi, stop it" then got opinions of 2 HB 10's. HB 11 then said, "ok you got our opinion now leave", i turned to her and said, "stop interrupting you're being rude", she immediately went all defensive and said "no I'm not" I should have left it there and carried on talking to the HB10's but I said, "yes you are" and she said "OH whatever", and sulked, pulled out her cell ph and ignored everyone. Both HB 10's then kinda lost interest and then said they were having a girls night and ended up walking off. FAIL. Still the boys thought I was a legend for approaching and giving it a shot, and it felt so god damn good to tell this stuck up snooty 11 to stop interrupting lol!

Final one and I would love to hear your opinions on this one.

My friend, who is a natura,l was at the bar and an HB8 starts talking to him. I know he has 4 girls on the run at the moment so I thought I could make moves and he would be sweet with it. I walked over and started talking to my mate, he introduced us, we talked for a bit. She asked me about 5 questing (what do you do etc) and I asked them back, in that time she kino'd him 3 times and me 4 times so I was fairly certain there was interest. I did the rings routine (she was dionysis) which she was pretty skeptical about and asked me if it was a pick up line I had learnt!!!!! I brushed it off as test I read online and wanted to see if it worked which she seemed to accept.

She asked us over to join her friends, G1 and G2 (both were about 15kg (30 pounds) over weight and not hot!) My mate walks off to talk to someone. I did the ring routine on all of them and was generally holding the set well. We talked a bit, then I realised that HB8 was trying to set me up with G2. She was still giving me IoI's (some kino etc) but saying things like "oh you used to be a cop, G2 loves cops" then look at both of us in that, you should hook up, kinda way. after a few min HB8 and G2 went to the toilet and left me with G1. About 5 min goes by and I think....this is not cool. 10 min goes by and I think fuck it, and leave to talk to my natural mate. 20 min later we at a quiet section of the bar and HB8 and her friends walk by and go OH Hey, and start talking to us again. I try to isolate HB8 but she drags g2 with her and we sit down. g2 starts ignoring us and txts and I do the cube on HB8. She is again pretty skeptical about it but admits it was reasonably accurate.

anyway we dance for a bit, HB 8 kino's me a bit and I do the same. I can't isolate her and I can tell she is playing with me a bit. We all sit down and HB8 puts G2 inbewteen me and her again, she is basically trying to push g2 into me. She asks me lots of questions, kino's me another 5 times etc. She said her middle name starts with J and it has been tradition in her family for generations to always have a middle name starting with J. My best line of the night was "oh cool, my middle name is John, so when I meet your parents I will be totally in" She kinda had a "ohhhh good one" type smile on her face and goes, "yeah... totally in". Anyway shegets up to get a drink I follow her for a bit and say I am leaving with my mate, and she goes...."and you want my number... well I'm flattered, sure" I number close and then go to give her a little kiss and she quickly turns away to present her cheek and I give her a quick kiss and go.

So happy to get the number but am positive I was too needy and followed her around a bit and failed a few shit tests. I passed a couple like when she asked if i was gonna buy her a drink and I said only if she buys me one first. She then said she was going to the beach on Sunday and then said...oh what are you doing on sunday, so I told her I was going out to the movies instead of saying nothing.

SO my question is, 1, what are my chances, I am pretty sure they are slim and she will blow me off if I txt, but I am willing to give it a shot. and 2, how long do I wait to txt?

Cheers for reading

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Hey man,

tbh, i read you FR because you commented mine and you talked about it. So here's my honest opinion, which is probably not worth too much since i am new at this too.

Frist off, very nice to go out and fucking DO IT. That's the biggest step and i still struggle too much with it, even tho it's been kind of a succes for me so far. So, huge props for that, that's already a win.

For the first approches, i cant say too much. I guess sometimes it's hard to make a connection. Whatever, that makes experience !

For the last one, with the HB8 and the G1 & 2:

I think you did look a bit chasy, following her around and stuff. It's a harsh situation tho, since she's apparently trying to hook you up with G2 who is ugly.

What i would have done is (and remember, I AM NEW, I MAY SAY BULLSHIT, CORRECT ME PLZ IF YOU READ THIS) emphasize on the "talk to everyone of the set" side of approching. You know, just not focus on the girl you like. Keep that for later.

I'd also like to have friends joining me at this moment, so they would start a conversation with G1 & 2 and i could isolate slowly but surely the HB8. You have to explain that to your friends beforhand tho, explain their job.

The only mistake i saw (but maybe you didnt mention it) would be that you didnt make enough connection to have something to text her about. I mean, you should have something that comes up in the conversation like "oh i've never been to *whatever in your city*" and propose her to take her there. Something like that, anything really.

Here you're lost with a phone number and really nothing to text her about, that's bad.

Also, for the "i prefered to tell her i'd go to a movie than nothing", i think i would have said something like "well on sunday im free because i party friday & saterday, so everyone will be just chillin' or whatnot". You don't lose any value and you show you're free. And there you go for "maybe we could meet at the beach !" and there you have something to text her about !

Ok, that was long, and maybe i said wrong things. Once again tho, huge props for going out there and just DOING IT, that's great !

Keep it up man!