Hello,

I´m 23 years old (pretty soon 24) and I have recently started to get interested in PUA-stuff. I´ve had sex with 4 different girls in my life and I´ve never had a serious relationship. Main reason that got me interested in PUA is that I want to get a proper relationship sooner rather than later and I also want to improve my skills with women (and people) in general.

I consider myself to be pretty much an AFC. I have read quite a bit of PUA-information in these forums and I´ve read The Game. I just ordered The Rules of the Game. My problem has so far been my inability to convert the information I´ve gathered to actions in real life.

So far I have only tried to pick up women from bars and clubs - I have never opened a set anywhere else. Usually I´ve been quite drunk when I have been "gaming". When I´m drunk, I really dont have AA but after I have opened my game obviously suffers from me being drunk and not being able to control my words and actions properly.

To fix that problem I went to two night clubs tonight and I was sober. What I noticed is that I have a very bad AA when I´m sober. Before I hit the clubs I set myself a target of opening at least 3 sets. I managed to open ONLY 2 sets. I had a chance to open at least 10, easily at least 10. So I consider tonight a pretty big failure but I have to take out the positives. I think those two sets were the first ones that I have opened while sober ( at least during the time I´ve been aware of all this "pick up stuff"). So I´m happy that at least I got something done, although it really wasnt much.

I´m going to be reporting after every "sarging trip" that I´m going to make from now on. I think it will be at least once a week but I try to get out at least twice a week if possible.

So here is how tonight went.

I left my apartment 1am and went to a club. I went alone and I felt extremely uncomfortable pretty much the whole time that I spent in this first club. I´ve very rarely been at a nightclub alone and when i have, i have been drunk enough to not to let that bother me. So standing there alone and completely sober I had huge problems trying to enjoy my time. I managed to open one girl who came to order something to drink from the bar desk where I was standing nearby. " Why dont they have the upstairs open? " I asked her and looked upstairs. She (HB7.5) smiled and explained to me that its only open when the place is crowded and needs more space. We exchanged a couple more sentences and then she left to order her drink from somewhere else because the service was so slow. I think I spent almost an hour after that in that club, basically just drinking coke and wandering around.

Then I moved to another night club which I found was a bit more comfortable to go alone in. But even there I passed countless of opportunities to open sets because I JUST DIDNT HAVE A PLAN to what to say to them. What I really learned tonight is the importance to have at least 2-3 different opening variations to be remembered by heart before going to clubs. That would have been a huge advantage tonight. I finally gathered enough courage to open a set of 3 girls (HB 8.5, HB8 and HB7). I approached them and said just "Hello" to get their attention. They turned at me, I was looking at the hottest one of those and she smiled at me and said "Hello" back at me. " I just quickly need your opinion on which on is a cooler move Cartwheel or Somersault (Im not sure if I got those terms right, I just used google translator)? " Then i immediately continued to explain that " I have made a bet with my friend that we have to learn either cartwheel or somersault tomorrow and I just want your opinions which move should I learn? " They were all smiling and the hottest one gave her answer first which was somersault. Then I asked the other 2 girls opinions too and they both went along with the same answer. They all seemed pretty happy to talk to me and the hottest babe even asked some more questions about that challenge. But after that I didn´t manage to take the conversation anywhere and there was a very awkward 5 second silence after which I just said " Well thanks for your opinions, see you " and walked away.

Positives: Both sets that I opened received me well and seemed happy to talk to me.

Negatives: I opened faaaaar to few sets and those which I managed to open I didn´t manage to take any further. I also just now realised how bad my AA seems to be when Im sober.

Hopefully I get some tips and advice from you guys. I´m hoping to have a chance to go to clubs on saturday too. I will post a report after that how it went.

I know exactly how you feel. When I started out, I was in a shitty place in life and I loved to go to bars, drink like a slob, pee on myself a little, and talk to fucking everyone, no matter how much of a social retard I was being. When I got better, I realized how much money I was wasting on alcohol and I tried gaming sober. It was too hard for me, I got really uptight and would approach maybe 1 time to give myself permission to go home and feel like a failure. It got to the point where I needed a drink just to loosen up and even then I wasn't as loose as when I used to binge drink (not caring made my game more successful, even if I slurred and had a beaming red face). I still haven't solved that problem, so I moved to online game, which is much cheaper, less risky (drunk driving), and treats me very well.

I'm going to give bar game another shot tomorrow night, I'll let you know if I figure it out. But really, not all game is made for all guys. You'll find your niche. I always felt like I had to pull or at least k-close or I was wasting my time. You have to go with the intent to have fun and if you don't think bars are fun places, that's probably your issue right there.

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Thanks for replying, minsok. Looking forward to hearing how your night goes!

Booyah. My night started out shit. I went out early because I didn't want to wait in line. I had my one drink and felt like dancing, but the venue I was at sucked. Two blonds materialized next to me while I was in creeper wallflower mode, so I threw out, "You really want to dance, don't you?" to the nearest one. She basically said no and shifted her attention back to her friend.

I wandered around bars for a while and then came back to my original venue, which now had a line. In the line a very assertive girl opened me and we had a nice little chat. She was pretty, but her personality was a little too dominant and negative for me. She amused me until we got back inside. Back inside, I immediately cased the joint and ran into this girl I haven't seen for a year (since I quit bar game). Opened her by saying, "Hey, what's my name?" Which she remembered, so good IOI. She broke up with her boyfriend of two years two months ago and I figured the time was prime to put myself in there. Kino'd a little, she playful kino'd back, but when I put both my hands on her shoulders, she gave me some pats on the back, which means, "I'm uncomfortable." Had enough momentum to number close her, will have to watch out for friendzone next time I see her. Ran into another girl I had and AFC crush on back in the day and just threw it all out there, whispered in her ear, "Hey, I've never hung out with you outside this place. Are you interested in changing that?" She said she would, but claimed to have a boyfriend (possible BS, no way of knowing). I told her when she was single again we'd have our time and she seemed really enthused and promised.

I had the goal of a kiss close, but I'm pretty pleased with my results, considering how long I've been out of night game and how little I spent. I could have stayed til the end of the night when all the desperate girls are hanging out, but I figured I'm better than that now. Only real problem I saw was I should have been more direct with girl A, my gut says I had a fair shot at k-closing her. Number closed her right in front of girl B, though, which is good for my value. I feel stronger, this is a good supplement to internet game.

Oh, and a non-HB4 was jocking the shit out of me and telling me how pretty I am, which doesn't hurt (poor girl didn't have a chance, though).

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Thanks for your report, minsok! Keep em coming if you feel like it Ive been without internet a couple of days, thats why no updates and Im busy now so I cant write this longer. But i will post a report asap of a DATE which I was on yesterday.

All right,

Two weeks ago I #closed a girl (HB9) in a nightclub and after some texting we went out on a date this monday. We went to the beach but it got all cloudy so we went to play some snooker in a place nearby. The date lasted about 2-3 hours and everything went pretty smoothly, there was no awkward silences. I´m just disappointed that I wasnt able to kino her. Anyway I hugged her when we met and when we departed. Before she walked away she asked me if I use facebook and I gave her my surname to add me. She added me the same day. The same evening she texted me a smiley to which i responded by a reference to our date.

The best detail in the date was when I said " Two steps forward and one step back " after she had hit the ball a further away from the hole. She then looked at me for a couple of seconds amazed and said that she had just been going to say the excact same words. To that i just replied with something like, " Yeah, i know, cause i can read your mind ". She laughed and told me to stop reading her mind. That was definitely the best moment of the date.

Anyway, since that date we´ve been texting and chatting in facebook almost every day and thursday I noticed that she was going to some party and as I was having a drink with my friends in a bar I texted her something like " Hey, if you wanna get a drink downtown, call me. Hanging out here with friends. "
She said that she was having a girls´ party but that she might come later. Like an hour later she texted that she was going to finish her drink and go home but would come to meet me on the way home.

She came into the bar where I was with 2 of my friends and I greeted her with a hug. We chatted for about an hour and I think she was having a good time. I teased her quite a bit about her music taste and some other stuff too. She gave a lot of eye contact which i take as an IOI. I tried to convince her to come with us to another bar but she said that she had to be in sharp shape the next day and that " we will go some other time ". When she left i walked her out to her bike and my plan was to try to kiss close but i just couldnt pull it off Ended up with just a hug which really disappointed me. So we´ve met twice now and i havent been able to kiss close this girl, i hope i havent blown this up already?

Anyway, the next day she started a conversation in facebook and asked how did the night go. We chatted some and then she had to go. Later on she sent me a txt message with. She had planned to cook for her friends to which i had previously suggested that she should just order take away instead and spare herself from some trouble. But she had insisted on cooking herself. So in this txt message she told me that she had had to go with a take away anyway, because she hadnt managed to get all the ingredients. To that i replied something like " haha, thats just too funny "

Later on i sent her a txt and asked if the food had been any good (I hate this txt but i was drunk when i sent it. Anyway, a completely pointless txt by me ). She didnt reply anything.

So, where do you guys think I stand with this girl and any advice how to game on from her?

Surely, I have to kiss close her the next time we meet. So far, I´ve gotten some encouraging signals ( LOTS of eye contact and her txting and starting facebook-chats ) but I´m very disappointed that i sent her that AFC-bs txt last night (How was the food?). But I guess you cant blow things up with just one txt, at least i hope so Should I wait her to contact me now or should I just try to set up a meeting maybe this weekend?

Set up a meeting ASAP. Wherever you go, don't make excuses not to kiss her. I figured out that 90% of the time I move from the claw into a kiss, or resting both hands on her shoulders and keeping eye contact into a kiss when there's a break in conversation. See if you can get her to meet you at your place, tell her you'll take her somewhere else if it gets boring.

And BS you can't kino during snooker. You can touch the small of her back, tell her to lean into it more, give double high fives and hold her hands a moment, train her to exhale slowly as she shoots, touch her arm or back as you switch turns. If you don't kino, the girl probably gets a little bored. I find most girls play just to please me.

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Thanks for quick reply, minsok. I´m going out to party tonight with bunch of friends, so maybe I should text her and ask her to join the fun.

The way to improve your Pick up skills is to change your enviroment, get to know more people, who are self-confident, and they like to pick up girls as well.
Im saying it on my own experience.


When I was starting, with PU it was hard, reallyyy hard. Then I met people from AlphaMale Club in my city. I met like ten great people, who were motivating themselves at the parties and were making approaches together. 1 month later I was different kind of person. I found that pick up is so freaking easy. ;- )

So good luck! And remember, practice goes first !

Thanks, emriv.

Here is a report from saturday.

So I went out partying with my friends as I had planned. Some time during the evening i sent a txt message to the girl who I was talking about in previous entry. I asked her if she was out tonight too. She replied that she was with her friends and probably going to a club later on. Later on she txted me that she was on this bar. A couple of minutes after that txt she sent me an another one and asked if I wanted to join her. I didn´t reply but I just walked in to that place where she said she was at. I was with a friend of mine. She said in one of those txts that she was pretty drunk, well, I was pretty drunk too. Right off the start I had some nice kino. We went to sit as my friend went to order us all something to drink.

We sat on chairs opposite to each other and she placed her legs between mine so that they touched each other. At some points she was also touching my legs with her hands while she was explaining me something. One point I tried to lean in for a kiss but she was like "what are you doing?" and I just laughed and went on to tell her something. I didnt try to explain my kiss attempt at all. Anyway, she didnt let me kiss her at that point.

We decided to go to another place and while we were walking there i grabbed her hand and we walked like that to the queue. In the queue she leaned against me and rest her head on my shoulder. As we went in to the place we order a drink and went to sit. She was sitting really close to me and touch my body and hands all the time. So I decided to go for a kiss again, then she just said that " Not yet, I dont want you to think I´m too easy " I replied with something like " I know you are not easy " She talked for a while and all the time she remained glued to my body and like 5 minutes after my second kiss attempt we just looked in to each other´s eyes for seconds and I slowly moved my head close to hers and we both leaned in for a kiss. After that we were basically making out the whole night, she was really into it. We went to dance a couple of times and it was really intimate there too, she let me touch her basically anywhere I wanted and we kissed in the dancefloor as well.
After one kissing session she said that " her head was spinning around and it wasnt for alcohol ". I tried to convince her to come to an after party at my friend´s place but she refused every time. She said that "she knows where it is going to lead " so she basically said that she didnt want to have sex.

We stayed in the bar until it went close and I walked her to her bike. She said that I would have to wait before anything more than kissing happens. I just answered something really dumb like " Whatever, I like waiting ". By the bike she said that was attracted to me. Obviously I´m really attracted to her as well but I didnt say it. I just decided to kiss her again. She walked her bike for like 200 meters that we went to same direction and then our ways parted and she went home and I went to the afterparty. I said that " Give me a goodnight kiss " and we kissed once more.

So, I have really mixed feelings about the night. Obviously my goal of kiss-closing the girl was reached in a superb way (hell, we were almost eating each other in the bar) but after such a lovely hours with her, I expected to get an F-close. Where do you guys think I stand right now?

When she said that she doesn't want her to look as an easy one, You should say something like:

Don't let this emotion flow around us, let it be inside of us.
or
Theres noone else around, just you and me.
or
If man and woman is attracted to each other, they should follow their feelings.

You had enough kino, to KC, all you had to do build more sexual tension, and propose again going to your friends place, and then use again one of sentences above. FC in that situation was really close, but it's just matter of experience.

The girl I'm working on now basically said the same kind of things. She said she didn't want me to think she was easy and I was like, yeah, I had to work a lot harder for you than I usually do. I had her at my place and I got really close, but decided to be patient. She said something about waiting, and I said, "You're worth waiting for", "It'll be better if we wait." Those sound pretty smooth in my head.

I don't know how old you are, but I've sort of learned the more I rush things and get f-closes on the day 2, the faster things seem to fizzle out. Delayed gratification is a real thing and makes the sex that much better and fluid when you make yourself wait a couple weeks for it. If you're confident, you know it's already in hand and you can have her whenever you want. Anyway, I'm glad you went for it this weekend and didn't wuss out on the kiss.

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Thanks guys.

I had a nice long MSN conversation with her last night. I will report once something more happens. I´m hoping to get a meeting with her at least by the weekend if she is around.

Quick question: Once you´ve come to the point where I currently stand with this girl, how often would you suggest keeping contact with her via txts/msn before the next meeting? How important is it to "keep up the good vibes" while you are not seeing her? Is it better to daily remind her of your existence or just coolly be 2-3 days without contacting her and keep her wondering what you are doing. All responses, as always, are greatly appreciated.

PS: My goal is not to only fuck her - she seems so interesting that could really be relationship material.

Every 2 days is a good time frame. If you already have plans, just make a little small talk, but don't go on all day unless she pushes it that way.

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