Like I said, I think Clozer's idea of collating all field reports into a single thread was brilliant, especially as I'm hoping to post a bit more frequently.

Making no promises of one a day or anything like that, but the key to success at anything is practice and I intend to practice these skills as much as possible. Hopefully I can learn where I'm going wrong from these posts and help other people realise similar mistake through the purpose.

25 June
I'm starting here because I had a pretty decent number close. Was waiting at the train station again, this time on my way to a party. In London the train stations have chairs in sets of fours. I was at one end of such a set when a girl in a cute yellow dress sat down in the other corner of the set. A HB7 on paper, she had something about her that warrant description as a HB8. I broke the three second rule trying to work out what it was that was making me so curious but I couldn't place my finger on it. It was only the announcement that the train was 1 minute away that snapped me back into gear.

I put my book down, turned my head to her:
Me: "hi, I can't talk long since I'm only going a few stops (was going 5) but I could use a female opinion on something".
HB8:"what now? when the train is almost here?"
Me: "yeah, why not? can't talk long anyway"
HB8: (smiling) "ok"

From here I ran the jealous girlfriend which has been working a treat from me. She loved it and got into giving me the advice. Midway between stop 1 and 2 I cut the thread and inquired about her accent. She was from Georgia and had come here to study. Back off to Georgia on the 28th for a week then back again. I framed this as a qualification, praising her and giving her kino for having had the balls to just up and move to a new country.

I then related this to a DHV story I have about my run in with armed police during my travels and how crazy travel can be. She says that she's staying with her sister, at stop 4 of my journey, right will have to work faster. I say I'm the stop after her, off to a party and that she should come. She likes it but says she has to pack. Didn't really notice any IOI's but am feeling like it’s on in my own mind, I run a quick numbers magic routine to seal the deal. The train stops between stop 3 and 4, I say we should hang out sometime, she agrees and takes out her phone asking for my number.

She offers me hers but the trains moving again, instead of rushing it I tell her to surprise me with a text later and build a little more comfort and kino before she hops off to build for the day 2. We kiss each other on the cheek goodbye and I received a text from her later on that night! Train game seems to be working a treat SPAM.

Had the weekend off watching the football (almost wish I hadn't, cruddy England) before picking back up today.

28 June
Got off work early today and strolled home through the park. Spotted a HB7 chilling out under the shade of the tree away from the baking heat. Walked past and ran the usual FTC but this time went with the two part kiss opener. She loved it and recommended a that the solution lay in a threesome. Immediately impressed! Bust on her for being so horny and she plays along. She too has an accent and I learn she's from Stockholm, going back tomorrow. Given that a sticking point had been ejecting early I stay nonetheless, warming up routines like the 5 questions game and the Cube for other sets I would approach. She loves my number magic routine, totally seeing through it and we joke about it. For the 5 question game we bet an ice cream and I win, I tell her I'll settle for a hug and promptly get one. After the cube works I'm on a real high and decide to eject, no point number closing here and I'm feeling hot for a more productive set.

I come across HB8 a few minutes away, in her bikini by herself. I run the same FTCTPK opener and she seems stumped. I bust on her for being sexist and then she becomes a bit more firm in her response. I take that as a qualifier and praise and kino her for having a strong opinion. She then seems a bit more bored so I actually get up before enquiring about her accent. She explains it's American but that she's from France. I again kino and state my approval for her having travelled so much, She says it because of her dad and I push her away saying I've lost all respect. Then do C v U and we start looking at other people. She spots someone in a jacket and we laugh, me telling her the parable of the Sun and Cloud which she loved. She says people have been staring at her but she doesn't care (I'm having trouble not staring as some Nipple is definitely visible!!!), I say there's worse thing than being stared at and move on to a couple of DHV stories about an old French GF who was so wrong for me but had a wonderful accent. We move to comfort and talk about what we're doing, she likes my Human Rights stuff and things are going brilliantly. I say I have to go but it's a shame I won't see her again. She offers me her number but my phone's dead so she powers on her blackberry which takes 5 mins! In that time I Cube her which goes perfectly, and we riff for another 5 minutes after I've given her my number. When I get home and put my phone on charge I've received a text.

My last close whilst not the most promising for a day 2 was my favourite given that I got called out. A small HB7 in bra and panties and I go for the same FTCTPK and kino early. She asks why I'm touching her so much. I act surprised like I didn't notice, just the sort of person I am. She says I'm using similar trends to that a friend has warned her about, set out in a book that explains how to get with women. I deny all knowledge and plead romantic, asking how one theory can account for the different types of women. She says it does work and look at us, we've been talking for half an hour already, I must be a natural! (:p) I say that I'm really a pimp and we riff. She's from Easter Europe so again I talk travel and accents using travel DHV stories and picking up on her U smile. She's a bit self conscious now so I move it on. She ask for my name and has trouble with it, so I tell her to put it in her phone, with her then also asking for my number. I then walk her to her sisters but defer from joining them for a coffee since I’m now shattered and starving for some real food. We kiss goodbye and I leave on a high.

Note: the day wasn't a total success, got called out on the best friends test twice in the two other sets I opened, with one set just shutting me down completely, but who cares I'm on a real high now, I think this stuff is starting to work. Just need to start turning them into some day 2's now![/b]

Hey,

Good field reports. I think that for new people like myself it would've been more helpful if somethings were elucidated further, while doing so would also solidify your understanding of the concepts as you put them into text. For instance, why did you qualify them? I thought it as supposed to be done at A3 from mystery...
What's that?
Fasle-Time Constraint TPK?

The sun and cloud parable. Do you mean this?:

http://www.gakkaionline.net/Myths/Stonecutter.html


All in all a good post. Thanks!!

Sure, typing out long posts is quite time consuming so for my own sake I try to cut non-essential corners, but if I've missed out anything important happy to try and explain. Dealing with the mystery model first, it is a fantastic model and the first thing I read about the game, but you have to realise it's just one of many models, not the holy grail. All the gurus out there have different models that employ similar techniques in different orders with different emphasis on certain aspects i.e. Cocky Funny, NLP etc. The key is to understand why certain parts of the model are included.

The reason it is important to get the woman to qualify is because it changes the frame of the set. Frame control is, n my opinion, the most important thing to learn from PU. This is the idea that you control your own state of mind and that of the group you are in. If you don't the other person will set the frame and you will always come off beta, to chaser to AFC, all the things we're trying to change around through PU. The reason Mystery advocates qualification at A3, is because you try to make a woman qualify before demonstrating value, she will determine your value on your appearance and by reference to her past experiences at being hit on, and 9 ties out of 10 will refuse to lose control of the frame and blow you out. So we DHV first, to the point where we have lots of value, we use push pull to attract her, and when she's hooked, we make her jump through a hoop. If she does it we've established an element on control and can move to rapport.

However, if you have a strong enough inner game (don't have to be a guru, I've not even hit double figures for number closes yet, let alone K and F closes!) you don't have to follow this linear model. If she says something I like, I frame it so that she was trying to impress me. "I moved here from abroad" is something I'm encountering a lot. When they say it, they're just building rapport, fluffing etc. However, because I am alpha, the prize, I assume she said it to qualify herself to me and treat it accordingly. So I say something like "respect/well done/you've impressed me" and give a bit of kino. In this way I control the frame and am setting the tone of our conversation in a way that makes it appear she is chasing me. If you do this enough, it reinforces the idea in her mind that your are the prize and that she is in fact chasing you. It can add weight to your DHV stories, and make you appear less try hard dancing monkey when you play games or gimmicks.

Bear in mind though that I am new to this as well, these are just my opinions and whilst so far successful, are still being field tested. You may feel far safer following Mysteries step by step approach, I just found it to cumbersome and have tried to make things more natural hopefully m way will give me as much success as Mystery's has brought to him.
This is a game where I tell the girl to think of a whole number between one and ten. I then tell her to draw it in her mind in her prettiest handwriting. I then look deep into her eyes, laugh and shake my head, saying no she's too hard to read. But then I say that when we can't use one sense to figure something out we should try another, so I tell her that I am going to hear her thoughts. I make her multiply her number by nine. Bar one every number she multiplies by nine will be a two digit number, so I say she done it too quick/I can almost see it, but/and I feel like it's a two digit number. I then tell her to add these digits together. This will always take her back to nine, even if she picked one, at this stage her answer is always nine. I then say that I've almost got it, I think one more sum will do it, and ask her to take way five. Now she's at four. Here I shake my head again, and explain that I'm a lawyer, not a mathematician and ask her to change to letters, so if her number is one, her letter is A. Her number is always four so her letter is always D. I then ask her to think of a country beginning with that letter. Take the second letter of the country and think of an animal beginning with that letter. Think of the colour of that animal. You're thinking of a grey elephant from Denmark right? If she sees through it laugh with her and tell her how many people get it wrong (they do, amount of times they end up on random letters is hilarious) and that you use it to make sure someone is clever enough for you to talk to. If she gets it wrong either laugh at her for believing in magic or explain that she got it completely wrong and bust on her for it. Don't give the trick away just follow the steps one by one and when she made the mistake just say that's how you lost her :p

It was referred to further up in the post, acronym for Two Part Kiss Opener. So FTCTPK is false time constrain two par kiss opener and FTCJG is false time constraint jealous girlfriend etc.
Nope, this is one of my own inventions, used for the first time yesterday when I remembered a story from a primary school assembly. A cloud and the sun are having a debate as to who is more powerful. They have a bet and make the subject a man with a coat leaving his house. The wind goes first and blows and blows and blows but the man only wraps his coat tighter. The sun goes and beams bright and happy and the man takes his coat off. The lesson is being nice will get better results, always be the sun. I told it in a jokey treachery way and it just worked because of what she had spotted, a man bizarrely walking through a park in his coat on a scorchingly hot day!

Wow, that was a long post hey? Hope this has helped! [/quote]

ashernshuga:

That number game is actually pretty good! I'm sure its posted elsewhere but its the first time I am reading about it.

It seems like you've got a solid foundation. Good luck with the rest of your reports!

Can't take too much credit for it I'm afraid, is fairly common knowledge. I think it was Style that said everything that was funny in the second grade is funny again now, and I remember our Maths teacher in secondary school playing this cheesy trick on us. If nothing else is a bit of fun and your more then welcome to it, have always assumed most people know already

Edit: June 29-midday report
Fell back into bad habits today. Went out to the park for my lunch break, has been a bit wet today so far less target rich than usual. Nonetheless spotted a HB8 2 set and approached using FTCTPC. One girl got really into it, the other was still lounging, IOD'ing me and it would only be a matter of time before I'd get blown out. So I made up to leave but then noticed a U shape on the more interested friend (mistake? Should I have used the like a horse neg on the obstacle). She was getting into it but her friend was still off, so I ran the BF test, prefacing it as something becoming more popular give that I've been blown out using it recently. they hadn't and the obstacle leapt up and was suddenly attentive, heard test and those gurus are right it was like chick crack. From here tried to build some rapport by talking about why they were out sunning whilst I was at work. They were students. Was going well but I could sense the obstacle was losing interest again. Even then I should have made for a number close before going but I just excused myself and left after than. Why do I do that, what on earth is gained by ejecting early and I got the feeling the more interested girl wanted me to ask for a number. Looking back I also failed to make them qualify at any stage which was a mistake. But we live and learn. Didn't find any other sets on my way back to work so was 0 for 1!

So nothing to report for the rest of 29th, just went straight home too exhausted to do anything else.

June 30
So at the end of my lunch I was heading back to work and came across a two set. A HB7 and her friend the obstacle. I approached using FTCJG and they seemed into it. Was trying to engage the obstacle with it more but she still seemed disinterested. This being the case I cut the thread, made to leave then tried the best friend test. They liked this and from here, rather than use more material I fluffed for a bit about why they were here and not at work. From here I told some DHV stories and the HB7 seemed to be quite interested but the obstacle was still distant. I then played the 5 question game with her but she didn't care less, was blatantly just walling me. From here I just left the thread. Could definitely do with some feedback here. Should I have avoided fluffing and done more routines, how do you not come off all dancing monkey without breaking up routines by small bits of fluff? Should I have negged her? Having great success with one sets but every time I try a group I'm bombing, what am I missing?

After work was walking through the park and approach a HB8 by herself. Used FTCJG and it opened brilliantly. From here I asked what she was reading and this got us onto what we do. I avoided the AFC stuff of "what do you do" and instead probed with stuff like "what did you want to be when you were a little girl, and don't say princess." I then framed it as her having qualified to me when she told me that she had come over from abroad (seriously, do no Londoner's frequent Hyde Park?) and started kino on her bare legs that were stretched out before me. Then DHV'd using stories of travel and my passion for what I do and we just riffed about really lame stuff like hopes and dreams and such. Was getting lots of eye contact and the kino was being accepted, even now when I was laying my hand on her legs and not moving them. I then used the CUBE and this seemed to seal the deal. I reminded her of a her best friend from home, someone she could really connect with and who was open and friendly. I tried to frame control again away from a looming LJBF by saying that he wasn't as cute as me though. This seemed to work and I said it was a shame I wouldn't see her again. She gave me her number and I felt back on track!

On this high I approached one more two set on the way out HB7 and obstacle again. FTCJB worked but when I transitioned with the best friend test the HB7 said "I knew there was a catch". I let this slide but in retrospect should I have shut this down and done a takeaway by saying I wouldn’t bother if that was the case. It then worked but they were completely ruining the frame, asking if this was like a TV set up, if I really had a friend that needed advice at all. Didn't really know how to combat this, should I have thrown some negs out to, maybe even come out and just tell them they were being rude. Definitely need to work on controlling group sets, any advice would be welcome!

So after a somewhat lukewarm response from you guys I decided to hit the books and see if I could spot for myself where some of these problems were stemming from.

Regarding the first set yesterday, with the bored obstacle, I think there were two problems.

First, maybe my interest in her friend was still too transparent, the obstacle was after all fairly dumpy, she must have know what was going on. In order to combat this sort of affect I am going to try and introduce a neg or two towards the target and focus my body language and target towards the obstacle.

Second was that I wasn't doing enough of the talking. Because games involve a level of interactivity, they also are a form of compliance testing. I hadn't built up enough value prior to this and so the obstacle didn't really want to keep the interaction going. To combat this sort of effect before trying these games in group sets, I am going to try and DHV other ways. The only way to do this early in the interaction (bar the obvious non-verbal communication) is through storytelling and being engaging, cocky/funny, I will always have something to talk about since early in the set, I will have to do 90% of the talking anyway. As such, I'm preparing some personalised stacks of routines of about 5-10 minutes worth. I can then use as little or much as I need to, and will be multi-threading these to the best of my ability.

Regarding the second set, with the frame destroying girls.

The only thing I can see here is that my frame wasn't strong enough, they were outframing me by suggesting that I didn’t really have a friend with a jealous girlfriend, and that I’d just made an excuse to come hit on them. In these circumstances, to control the frame from the outset, or regain it if I lose a set again similarly, I'll introduce some neg's. This way I'll be communicating disinterest and maintain control of the frame. From here I can then game as normal.

Off to bed now, will let you know how it goes tomorrow in the field. Also, props to Mystery and his Venusian Arts Handbook, which is where I drew most of this from.

Over 150 views, but only 2 replies that aren't from myself, neither of which offered any advice despite asking for it. When I read the game I envisioned a much more interactive community. Instead, the reality seems far more selfish and about bragging. I didn't come online to gain the respect of other PUA's but to grow and improve with other like minded individuals. I'll be taking a break from the forum for a bit, all the best.

Hey Bro,

Im not a PUA yet but ill give you my opinion...

The pattern goes like this for indirect approach---

Opening (engage in conversation, opinion) rememeber ur not hitting on them/under the rader - DHV (stories to demostrate that) - A3 (make her qualify them) * This is what i feel u have not been doing* (Neg eg) - Comfort buliding blah blah

So u been opening great, doing kino, DHV with ur stories but ur not negging and not making them/her qualify them self which is giving them a stronger frame.

Thats what i feel, i might be wrong, there are heaps of PUA"S here.. correct me if im wrong.

Spunky