omplimented her hat in as nervous and stuttering a way as I could, and let the conversation die uncomfortably. She reacted to me much as any HB would, despite being completely fugly. This is also something I'll need to look into; why would a girl who is -not- hit on constantly have a bitch-shield as big as a girl who -is- hit on all the time? Then I went and sat by myself for a while and watched people, some of who watched me back.

I venue changed to the Meat Market called Monkey Island for a little while, and sat by myself watching boxing on the TV by the bar. I like boxing. I didn't get approached, I didn't get a drink, I just sat by myself watching boxing. Mostly, I was passing the time. When I have oodles of social proof, I like to get to the bar early and set up a base. When I'm alone, I prefer to come in a little late.

So I went back to Suite 69 and held up the wall some more, and got a lot more eye contact from the room (guys, girls, whatever). I spotted my target, a cute (6) curly-headed brunette with freckles, and proceeded to break the three second rule by something like ten minutes. No approach anxiety hit, which I thought was strange. It was like, the more time I had to think about it, the less I was worried. Again, something to look into.

I opened with my penguin opener (which now has a root that I'm not sharing with anyone but my Round Table), and the set instantly took to me. My target turned out to be the second-hottest in the set (I didn't notice a black-haired 8 in the set until after I'd opened and she rejoined). We fluffed for a bit before I busted out (in the middle of a relate-reward cycle) "If I wasn't gay, you would -so- be coming home with me." And that was the end of my set. They immediately thought I was gay, and treated me like a girlfriend for the rest of the night. Some great kino, a huge level of trust built, but when it came time to build a sexual connection, they flipped on me. As soon as I "came out" that I wasn't gay, I lost the set. *shrug* We instant dated to The One, which is now merged with the Urban Lounge and sucks balls, then back to Suite 69 which was much nicer, and I was a needy bitch the whole night.

HB6: So where are your friends?
Me: Dunno. They must have ditched me.
HB6: You should call them!
Me: I totally forgot my phone at home.
HB6: Who forgets their -phone-?
Me: People who forget to recharge them. ^_^
HB6: Well that's ok. I'll love you, then.
Me: Aww! You think I'm easy! Well if I let you take me home tonight, are you going to feed me?
HB6: No... No no no. I'm not one of those hoochie girls!

So yeah. I did as much wrong as I could think to do, used as much of my own material as I could, while sticking to conversationalist dialogue, and it worked. Two numbers, one failed k-close, and some seriously awesome kino. (full body, hip-grabbing, grinding; it's amazing what girls will let you get away with if you're gay). The interaction itself rocked, and with more social proof I could have gone home with any one of the three.

Go out and try it. Forget as much as you can for the night, go out, and be a dork. It's liberating. ^_^

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Well, at least you know what you did wrong.. But doesn't seem to care that much... which seems awesome to me. I like it when people don't care

Better luck next time, man

You don't get it. I was TRYING to do it wrong. I consciously went out with the goal of doing it wrong. It was an experiment, to see which of the ideas of pick-up really held up to active dismissal. Some did, some didn't.

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Ah, sorry, I was really tired and slow when reading it so, my bad
But then again, I sat wondering why the oh so great Monkey would do such things
Guess I just assumed that it would be like it always is
But hey, great thing to go out and playing it like the gurus say you shouldn't, and still succeding. I really dig the whole renewal thing that's going on for the moment, so this post is kind of great now that I think about it. Makes me think of a lot of things you hear everywhere in the community.

I know the if i wasnt gay you'd so be coming on to me/ be my girlfirend line is used a bit, but i don tlike it.

personally i think the reason tehy flipped out is because any sort of rapport connection gained after that line is shattered when u say ur not gay, because fact is you'v lied to them. simple as, they will feel betrayed and embarrassed. thinking of the kino they did on you, they probally only felt comfortable doing as they thought you were gay.

and as for the 3 second it causes contreversy on the forum, should you use it shouldnt you use it,

heres the pro's
- you cant over think ur set
- whatever your sayin should be natural
- you dont seem like the weird guy staring for 10minutes.

the cons
- if their with company and talkin intterupting maybe seemed rude,
- your not sure how many people are in the set, some maybe toilets bar dancefloor etc, and could be hitting ona bird with lots of fellars which could throw your set. (as monkey found)
- some girls i have met have said i come across to strong, and have too much confidence.


question for you though dude,
did you work hard on your game? like the attitude and confidence because revertign to AFC for one night in a bar that you frequently haunt may knock back your social image, jus a thought. i'v fast got a reputation for being the cheeky barman in my town, for example this hb7 decided on meeting me she was goin ot try to shut me out of the set sayin i dont like you having a huge bitch sheild wheni was talkin to my friend, an ex and a few of her mates. and hb7's freind said
DONT TALK TO ENIGMA LIKE THAT UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE EMBARRASSED, TALK TO HIM WITH RESPECT!!

what im thinkin is if i reverted to AFC for a while then people may start to treat me AFC again?

maybe thats whats needed?

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Maybe that IS what's needed. I did work on my game, almost religiously, before deciding to toss it to the wayside. I am a theory hound. I know my shit inside and out.

Go to a different bar and do it. If your normal haunts all know you (and they should) go somewhere else and party and be a complete loser for a while. Try and re-capture that AFC feeling, try and remember what it's like being a social retard, because in doing so, you'll have a very different viewpoint on how and why game works the way it does. With the knowledge that you have, you'll gain a better understanding of the girls' reactions, and some of them might surprise you. Like I said, having broken the three-second rule by something like ten minutes, I found my approach anxiety waning. That simply does not stand up to normal game theory, and now I want to know why. I complimented a fat ugly girl, and she reacted the exact same way a HB9 should have. I want to know why. I approached from behind and got a favorable reaction. I want to know why. Are there rampant misconceptions in the community that need fixing? Are there ways that we can integrate techniques and guidelines that run counter-intuitive to the game sub-culture to maximize our own potential in the field? This is all really interesting stuff for me, and I want to see where it goes.

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There's this saying in music theory. It says that music theory doesn't control the actual music; it's the music that controls the music theory. Something might seem like it should be completely wrong if you look at it from a music theory standpoint, but once you hear it in the real world, it sounds alright.

There are styles of music that purposefully go against traditional music theory to create something new; and the music theory had to accommodate the new music - not the other way around.

So it's the same thing with PUA theory - reality isn't going to conform to PUA theory - PUA theory has to readjust itself and describe reality. That's why it's important to go out and sarge as often as possible and not be a keyboard jockey. Doing things like you're doing Monkey is probably what's needed to make PU more complete. If what you're seeing out in the field doesn't fit PUA theory, we have to adjust PUA theory to correctly describe what's going on here.

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AFC's get laid. Alot do. Totaly losers arent always scared to approach women they really like.

Alot of the 'rules' may indicate the best way to do it, but doent say its completely the wrong way to do it.

Remember that we have broken down social dynamics and turned it into somthing scientific.

The rest of the world gun it, not many other people even notice all these things but react to it likewise.

Pick up assumes that all women will shut you out if you are not intresting. But you would think that some of these women would start letting men talk to them even if they were total AFC cus they too cant find what they are looking for and decide to let the guy have a chance to talk to them.
Im sure you have encountered this from really hot girls. They might be sick of all the total losers, but ever think that noone that was 'intresting' and (basically a PUA) a total natural would ever cross their path? Maybe some of them are starting to realise that if they let men have a chance they might get the guy there looking for.

I doubt that paragraph makes sense since im just jotting down thoughts in my head that arent even arranged. Lol gota go sarging now so fuck sorting it all out.

Monkey I think your onto somthing here. Monkey madness method maybe? I duno ill go out there now and see how it goes. Will post back results!

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in the case of the ugly/fat girl, who you complimented in my mind the reason she reacted like she did isnt because like a HB9, who gets comlimented all the time, she is mearly demonstrating higher value, enjoying the compliment but knowing if she shows it too much then you wouldnt chase her any further.
A small part of me reeeeally hoped you did, probally made her night.
Only other reason is, well im not too proud to admit it but a guy i see out a fari bit got paid £45 to take home a rather large troll is the better word, and she could have thought she was victim to some elaborate joke..
my guess is the first reason thou...

"There are styles of music that purposefully go against traditional music theory to create something new; and the music theory had to accommodate the new music - not the other way around." - awesome.

if iv understood that correctly, is it we shouldnt go against everythin already written just adapt improve and find new ways to reach the same result? thats how i read it and i completly agree diapent.

back to basiscs, back to structures, back to the bare fundamentals of succesful sarging once were back at th begining we can start to re-plan the journey.

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