Ok guys,

I need the best minds at work here!

I have been a PUA for over 2 years now so would consider myself pretty good. Last night I had the weirdest experience and I just cant callibrate and move forward as I don't understand WTF went wrong!

So, I was on the train back from London last Sunday after going to meet Mystery..... I meet a HB9 on the train, she's with her mum and little sister. I had to obviously dis-arm the mother to get to the girl, we sat and chatted for about 4 hours STRAIGHT. It got crazy as I could see her mum fancied me as she was qualifying herself like crazy! She even started to brag for the last 30 mins! When the final stop came up, we got off. I carried on walking, and my 2 pivots (lovely twins) met me at the station to pick me up (in a flash BMW) I didn't get to say bye as the HB9 had jumped in a taxi and gone

Last night I see her out in a club, she was with 2 friends. She ignores me, so I say "oh it's like that Vikki?" (laughing) she stops and says "oh I didn't recognise u" (unlikely as we chatted for 4 hours a week before!) so I can see from her Body Language that she wants to go so I let her.....

10 mins later I am with a group of girls in the VIP on a hen party, we are having a good time. I see Vikki, I go over to speak to her and her friend instantly says:

"WILL YOU JUST GET LOST, YOUR REALLY CREEPING HER OUT"

I say, "sure, I apologise" and leave......

Now, I didn't do anything unusual or creepy in this interaction on the train - I even taught her some really cool tricks and memory techniques for her studies.

I just don't get it, at all! I had insomnia last night as I can't sleep until I have analysed the night and made new patterns for next time - then I can sleep! Hence why I'm posting so early! I just can't understand the psychology behind what went on, any ideas from the floor?!

Reniassance,

p.s. She was very shy on the train and obviously didn't get on with her mother too well.

p.p.s. from my view, she had very low self esteem, her mother said she has never had a BF (she is 19 yrs old)

you should move on, pick up 10 new girls , pick up a girls better tehn her

Could have been her being polite on the train. Did you get any IOIs from her?

Also if you keep talking to any girl in a club even if you know her.

Long story short I think she way being polite, thus didn't bother remembering you and so kinda didn't expect to see you/talk to you again. You then start talking to her in a club convinced you knew her etc etc let it go dude. Realistically you were an interesting guy she met on a train probably nothing more ... until you started talking to her then I think you weirded her out a bit.

Hmm, yeah I can understand how you don't get it...


However, I think the guys above me are right. I think, by the sounds of it, her mom was into you. Maybe her daughter was just being friendly.

I honestly, DON'T think she recognized you at the club even though you spoke for hours. Ironically, I think her mom WOULD have recognized you.

Here's what you did wrong. You should have opened with an indirect opener.

If SHE recognizes you then, BAM it's on. You can use this as an IOI test.

Believe me, I know a lot of people now, and I used to go up to them and say, 'hey you're so and so from blah.' If they recognize you then great. But if they don't you look like a right prat. I NEVER open in this way even though it is SO EASY anymore.

Hope that clarified things. Keep going and good luck.

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Hey thanks to posts 3 & 4, I think you have nailed it. Now that I think back to the train journey, she was being polite at points.
Not sure what post 2 was saying there that we don't all learn on day 1, week 1.......
Damn, tonight was baaaad. That rude girl has knocked my confidence, I didn't realise it until I went out and failed to open on 3 seperate opportunities when I normally would have just incase another girl basically made me look like a fool!
Only opened about 10 sets tonight which is absolute rubbish and shameful!

Ok, so: sleep, re-callibrate in the morning and hit some day game. Then Sat night I will get into a high energy mind set and start again!

Cheers guys,