The sarging that turned bad .. 2 people hating my guts. HELP



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:37 am 
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Ok heres a story for all of you but first of all im gonna give you some background info on some things that happened.

I have a friend, hes like my best friend, or at least one of my bests. He and I used to hang out quite often during junior high and highschool, we didnt have that much contact during college since each of us had like ouy own new social circle and friends and all so we kinda lost touch for a while.

Recently we both met this fantastic PUA WORLD and this kinda got us to hang out together again like we used in highschool, just to sarge and practice and talk about techniques or PUA stuff in general.

Ok well, this has been quite a ride so far. Turns out that at the same time, even if you have a friend who can be your wing, he can be, at the same time your competition. This happened a lot recently, and theres like a reason for this. Its natural, hes got his own aproach to this and he likes to do it his way and its the same for me, and even though we kinda take advice from each other, were always in this constant unconscious psicological battle to see which technique is best, whos gonna do better etc etc, we just dont say it, we dont brag much about our conquests.

In recent days he had been a bit upset about a night out at the club that went bad for him and good for me, he didnt open sets because i was trying to prevent him to open shitty sets, ( or sets that looked not worthy to my eyes since my friend wasnt even smiling and seemd really desperate to sarge, almost hovering )..thing is he got pissed off at me cuz he took that on the wrong side, arguing that im a wuss that i dont like sarging, that im this and that.. he got really upset and i proved him wrong opening a 2set all by myself with no trouble at all because i didnt ask him for an opinion about the sets, and thats something he always did, so i gave him my most honest answer. Because really what can my most sincere answer be if he says " hey man check out that set, im gonna open them, what do you think??"... then i tell him what I really think and he gets upset, because i make him change his mind.

I, by no means intended to cripple his game or make him frustrated about having no closure with any sets at all.. but unfortunately, thats exactly what he believes; im trying to cripple his game and not letting others move forward. I recognize now my mistake on telling him my real opinion. And I feel bad about it, its not letting him progress.

Then on later nights we went out but he was cold about opening, he said "no i dont want to open anything, i dont want to sarge for a month, life is not about sarging blah blah "... and i knew why he was feeling that way. He didnt want to sarge if I was around. ok I respect that, we talked that over and agreed that IF we ever sarged together neither of us was gonna ask for a last-minute opinion on a set.

So agreed. I called him on the phone a couple of times on later weeks, and he said that he couldnt because of his GF and . now it was always the same shit, he never had the time to sarge or even hang out.

.... NOW DOWN TO THE MAIN STORY.....

Yesterday was the birthday of my friends brother, and i went there to his house.

There was a lot of people ( not too many girls tough ) and we had a nice time for a while drinking too much since we didnt have the intention to sarge or do anything else than just having a good time. We kinda got drunk early on. but i was in my 5 senses still having a good laugh and chatting around. Then comes the GF of a guy and I chat her up. then i got into sarging mode, but along came my friends cousin whos also into PUA stuff and hes got nice game... he kinda outgamed me at first and i let him go ahead. I was chicking out his game and giving him the honors... i even made him the "way to go man :wink: " adn the thumbs up!... gesture and let him have his way with her without me trying to sarge her at the same time.

so a few minutes passed, we were all cool and since the girl was previously giving me IOIs..." you look familiar, i like your clothes, youre so tall, my name is XXX whats yours??......"..... I returned to talk to her, and since my friend's cousin wasnt sarging her anymore apparently, i thought it was my turn and then i Isolated her to a more quiet spot, she was getting on, i was negging her hard and at the same time giving her IOIs..

(remember that shes got a BF)... I was saying things to her like..." oh you look so submissive around your BF, youre like a puppy dog, you look strong but, kinda came off being your BFs slave..... " all of this in a funny apropriate manner so she laughed and listened to everyword.." and she was getting on... I was creating huge rapport too. Then... Happens that a friend of mine, who turns out is also her friend, shows up at the spot we were and starts saying some drunk guy stuff; he was so drunk so I told him " man please were having a private conversation.. ill be right back with you guys in a minute, please dude... ( and the girl followed me and also told him to leave us alone" so he did leave us...

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:53 am 
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......Now, after a while she goes to the bath room, my best friend is behind me and suddenly comes his cousin, trying to keep his voice down, he complained to my friend about me not respecting his game and me being a jack ass, and that i was being rude to the other people in the room which was not true, then i overheard him say... "MAN I dont want to be around this guy anymore, how can you fucking roll with him, hes a looser he has no respect for game, hes an ass.."....

I tried to pretend that i didnt hear anything, although my friend knew i had overhead it all and he and i had a little private chat....

Then comes the fuckd up shit... he started saying to me that i had a shitty attitude towards friends, and that i got an attitude problem, that i dont recognize the progress of others, that Im stubborn, that I dont let people move forward.. that i had to change my attitude, that i was so proud of myself, that I had a huge Ego... He also said that my other friend ( the one that showed up drunk with me and the girl).. said that i was so rude and mean to him in front of the girl ( of course he was wasted, he later admited to me that he didnt know what he was saying..)

Now guys, Really listening to my best friend saying those things that to me, didnt make any sense at all, since ive always been shy and never braged about my acomplishments, and I always recognized his advances with "thumbs up".. i was confused, i knew that alcohol was part of this, but it felt bad.. now.. it wasnt just my best friend's cousing saying shit about me, it was also my best friend, and then, to make matter worst... the girl i was gaming, somehow gave a thought on the things i was saying about her relationship and she had a huge fight with her BF just right there in front of us, and again I overheard the BF saying things like "... and whos that guy!!.. what were you doing with him??.. why do you listen to his shit??... he messed up the party for us blah blah....( poiting at me )....."

So 3 people so far hated my guts, or at least had a "not so nice opinion of me"... i wanted to EJECT... emergency EJECT ! my friend and assumed wing was turning on me really bad, and his cousin too ( I think were not gonna get along well anymore ) and the BF of the girl i was sarging was also trying to initiate war!!....

GUYS i had that girl. but im not askin on a point of view on the sarge... but on.. what yould I do?... what should I think?...

I know that its real hard for real friends to tell the real truth, but they always do, but in this case i didnt think that he had those thoughts about me and my attitude, and it came as a real shock to me since i never considered myself to be of a bad attitude, or plain cocky or braggart.

I guess we are all friends of each other, willing to give advice on many matters of life, not just girls. I know that my friend doesnt hate me, but knowing that he thinks that of me puts me in a possition where I feel betrayed by a person who I trusted to be there for me.

Advice? any thoughts? .. ok Id apreciate any input on this.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:38 am 
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That 'Friend" is holding you down man. I would find some more buddies and sarge for a bit then one day invite him over and help him sarge a chick you brought over sort of like an offer of peace. If he cant respect teh work you put i to do that for him then just tell him to fuck off ae


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:01 am 
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Yeah I totally agree with rel1x.
By the way, why do you game a girl that has a bf that's also at that party??
Dude, that's low social intuition. I mean, isolating a girl that has a bf, cool, but if he's there it's better to sneaky get her number and take it from there.

And, about opening sets that aren't 'good,' you aren't a PUG yet so why not practice? You can always use them as pivots/pawns (and no 7- aren't DLV)


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:58 pm 
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Agree with both of you..


About the girl with BF I was counting on her discretion, but apparently she thought over the things I was saying to her, and again.. Apparently, she broke up with her BF because of something i said.... or maybe not, but her lack of discretion kinda made things difficult. But yes, totally agree with my lack of social intuition that day, I wasnt aware of the consecuences that my actions might have.

About my friend, He now considers that Im holding him back, and I consider that Hesholding me back; Yes, but hes kinda like.. my best friend, the person that i last expected to give me shit like that, ive known him for about 10 years or more.

But agree that when comes down to sarging its better for me to have new Pick up buddies.

Agree on you both, im totally gonna take your advice rel1x and Vale, Thanks !

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