This is honestly a first. This has never happened to me before.

So another one of my friends is turning 21 and we go to her favorite bar (on some nights it's 18+). It's a country bar. they have a live country band, line dancing, cowboy boots, cowboy hats, the whole 9 yards right. This is my first time at this bar and the music here was very loud. this was not your typical "college town bar." Lots of older women are here (25-35 years old) so i figure this is a great place to practice my game on older women.

We go there, get drinks and im standing there. We have 3 guys, 3 girls, and there was also another big group of people there that i work with, so i thought i had good social proof after talking with everyone for a while.

There are 2 older women, one 28 years old and one over 30 sitting at the table next to us and I approach them as a "warm up." I start running game on them and they totally love me because before i showed up, they were sitting there alone and bored. Turns out, both of them are lawyers. I actually danced with them and had many laughs. Neither of them were that hot though.

So i talk to them and go roam. I used them, plus my friends and the people i work with as my "base." I approached many sets tonight.

I approached a couple sets... they washed out, whatever. A song would come on and they would say, "I love this song!" and all go run on the floor to dance. I'm like, "yeah...right on...talk to you guys later...."

I go and approach another set by the bucking bull. This is another large group (like i had last week). I start to talk to 3 of the girls. I give pretty much all my attention to the UC4, trying to correct on last weekend's mistake. I can see one HB7.5 and she keeps looking at me as i talk to 3 of her friends. They are leaving the bull area and im in the middle of a story and I say, "how rude not to invite to me tag along" they say, "well come on!" So i go with them across the bar, still talking and telling the story when all of the sudden 3 dudes walk up, grab these girls by the hand and just leave. They don't say a thing.
So i'm like, "alright...whatever."

I figure, if i can't talk to ugly chicks, then i have some serious work to do. There was this bachlorette party and i approached asking a harmless question. "What does this 777 mean on the back your shirts?"

girl: "it's the date of her wedding."

So, i start running game on them and they start taking pictures of me and acting like i'm the most exciting thing that has happened to them all week. Like...every chick in this bridal party wants a picture with me. they want to teach me how to dance, so they drag me out on the floor. As i'm line dancing with these girls, the HB7.5 that kept looking at me by the bucking bull is there dancing.

I walk up and say with a big smile, "you totally suck! i can't learn how to dance from watching you!"
her (laughing out loud): "oh i suck huh? look at you!"
me (still smiling): "ya know, i wouldn't have even noticed you, but with that shirt you have on, you stick out like a sore thumb."

she gives me a bad look. She then steps on my toe while dancing and I burst out laughing and say, "what the hell! you just stepped on my toe!" she said, "no i didn't!" I said, "you should take lessons from me!" she smiled, said, "shut up." and hit my arm. We dance for the rest of the song and we're talking, laughing and she keeps saying, "you keep messing me up! you're confusing me!" after the song, she walks off the floor like she never even met me.

I go and talk with the bridal party again for a little bit. NONE of these girls were good looking and they all started to ignore me. The more I talked, the less they listened. I excused myself by saying i needed to meet back up with my friends.

There is another set with 4 girls including a HB8 and 3 dudes. I open them using canned shit. I get all of their opinions, everyone is cool as hell. i ask how they all know each other and i ask 2 other girls that live together if they consider themselves best friends. they said something...I said, "that's funny. let me do the best friends test on you guys."

One guy, who was talking and laughing and was cool as hell 2 minutes ago, busts in, "hey, we're just here to have a good time. We don't want any of this shit to happen. We answered your question, now get lost."

I said, "what? I just asked them a question... they can speak for themselves can't they?" (these 2 girls did not have bf's. they were all high school friends.) he said, "seriously...get outta here."

I said, "alright...geeze. pleasure meeting you all."

So I got back and met up with my friends that i came with. We take a shot, mingle and I go back into action by meeting up with the 2 lawyers i met. i said, "those bitches over there stole your table." they respond, "I know! they all had U-shaped smiles!" We all laugh. I play the 5 question game with the better looking 28 year old and i won. i said, "haha...you owe me a drink now." she actually bought me beer.

I talked to these 2 ladies for about another 20 minutes until the bar closed. We walk out and I'm looking for my friends. They already caught a cab and took off. So i say, "shit...i'm gonna have to walk home now." the 28 y/o says, "where do you live? I'll drive you."

Right then, this dude about 6 inches taller than me walks up, gets right in my face and says, "are you lost?" I look at the two lawyers and said, "no...i know exactly where i am."
he said again. "are you lost?"
I said, "what the fuck man. who are you? do you need something?"
"i'm just wondering if you're lost that's all."

i look past him and his entire group is by a car watching. these were all the girls by the bucking bull including the 3 girls i initially approached and the HB7.5 that i negged on the dance floor. everyone is giving me bad looks.

i said loudly so they all could hear, "what the hell is everyones problem? why are you all giving me bad looks?"
this one chick that i didn't even talk to said, "our problem is that you've been as asshole to everyone all night!"

I turn to the 2 lawyers and said, "what?! Have i been an asshole to you guys?" they both said, "let's go...fuck em...come on...let's go. they're drunk."

I said back, "i haven't been an asshole to anyone all night. I'm just making conversation."

the chick said, "you need to work on your pick-up lines!"

i said, "i don't have any pick up lines. I didn't use any. certainly not on you."

she said, "exactly!"

i start walking away with the 2 lawyers and i look back at the dude about to fight me and a girl is pushing his chest, obviously trying to get him to calm down. That girl was one of the 3 that i initially approached from the group.

i ask the 2 lawyers, "this is seriously bothering me....be honest. at any point tonight, did you think i was mean, or an asshole or didn't enjoy my presence?"

they said, "no way! you were great. they are just drunk. don't worry about it. people are stupid."

they drove me home. i thanked them up and down. pleasure meeting you both, drive safe, etc. and they drove off.


WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? I go from consistently closing at least one chick a night, to getting tons of IOI's and not closing (last weekend), to almost fighting some prick in the parking lot this weekend. Seriously, what the hell is going on? Does anyone else EVER have nights like this?

Maybe this was just a really bad venue to work. But then, that's AFC thinking. Obviously this was my fault. Since I've been "using game," I've never been shot down after an opener before. I've never had girls just completely ignore me. After talking with a girl for 5 minutes, I've never had them think i was NOT interesting. Maybe I'm just really bad with large groups. Can anyone give me tips on how to get in with mixed large groups? And what the fuck were those girls problems? I barely worked them. They didn't know my name or anything.

You are only as good as your last sarge. Undeniably, I am a MASSIVE Frustrated Chump tonight.

I dunno man, where are you from? (I'm assuming somewhere in the US, it being a country bar and all, but where particularly?) And, did you find that the attitude here is different than the places you usually frequent?

It strikes me as odd that this happened in a country bar, as, I've heard talk of game having to be adjusted in the South somewhat, and it being harder to calibrate because the people there are much nicer, and you can't tell if they're really giving you IOIs or just being polite. But I would imagine it's different depending on the kind of place you go as well.

Anyhoo, just a thought.

I live in East Lansing, Michigan. I go to Michigan State University. This bar is located in Lansing, right by the Lansing/EL border. Before it was this country bar, it was a bar named "Sparty's." http://www.whiskeybarrelsaloon.net/

I told my brother-in-law the story and he said, "I fucking hate that bar. That's why I don't go to Lansing bars in general. It's a totally different crowd than East Lansing. People there just look for trouble. I used to do the exact same thing with my buddies back in the day (he's 26 now) and guys will just want to fight you for no reason. That's why the owner changed it from Sparty's to this country bar to eliminate some of that crowd."

He said everytime he's ever been there, there was a fight in the parking lot.

We had a place like that in my home-town (the thriving Metropolis of Stettler, Alberta), and dealing with pricks like that is as simple as agreeing with them.

AMOG: Hey, are you lost?
Monkey: Actually, yeah. I was looking for the bar with the nice people. I heard one's opened up around here. Don't suppose you've heard of it, though.

Big smiles.

The problem was in your calibration. I'm sensing a total lack of time constraints, because most of the sets you opened wanted to know when you were leaving. Take that pressure off of them. If you sense the set going cold on you, go for isolation or eject. If they seem uncomfortable, try and remember your time constraints. "I can only stay for a second; it's my buddy's bachelor party." Make sure they know they won't be stuck with you all fucking night.

Also, confidence breeds laziness. You did really well in your first few sets. Then you got lazy, and got IOIs but no numbers. Then you got lazier, and it made you sloppy. Go back to your basics. Work on your openers, and if the set goes somewhere, it goes somewhere. If it doesn't, eject.

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well what you said here shows that you were nothing but nice, dont think its you. If you went to a country bar, you should expect big stupid assholes who get drunk and like to beat their chest since they really arent capable of doing anything else.

Seems to me the the dudes were your problem here. dont let it get you down though - from personal experience I would say the WORST type of over-zealous assholes can be found at country bars. I live in miami, and the only time ive ever had a stupid fuck get in my face is, yep you guessed it, at the country bar ROUNDUP. hot women, shitty guys in places like that.

Hmm... yeah, I feel like Monkey said about not having time constraints could have contributed to this kind of a reaction... on the other hand, I feel like if the set was actually going really well you shouldn't have been blown out that easily.

If the frame was right the guy would have seemed like an asshole for telling you to get lost, and you could have dismissed him, or made him look worse... I think you should not have responded to him directly, but instead slightly turn your back on him and talked to the girls, saying "wow, is he always like this? Then go into your set, and if the girls are responding to you and he keeps on trying to interrupt you just keep ignoring him and showing indifference.

Obviously don't get beat up, but if you are able to craft this kind of a situation where the women are responding you you, you are completely ignoring the guy, the more he attempts to get your attention the more the power shifts in your favor.

I get the feeling that you did NOT create this situation... maybe you hit on the ladies too soon, telegraphing your interest in them, and if you didn't have a false time constraint, he was able to blow you out easily because the frame turned into "this guy's hitting on us, thank god our friend's here to get rid of him, who knows how long he would have stayed"

Maybe some other people can jump in here, but just a few ideas about frame control...

dude iv pushed cocky funny too far a few times now an almost ended up in trouble,
only small no tbuilt at all i rely on my gob to sort it out, best one was this fricken 20stone giant scottish guy collared me in the toilets,
his girlfriend had been havin some banter with me behined the bar an was complaini her drink wasnt strong enough, she shouted when i was servin some one so i broke of and called her rude, then talked to her freinds and continued to serve people, she loved it...
anyways

scot - "do you know who you'v just called an rude cow"
me - "erm i guessin its ur girlfriend"
scot - "actaually its my wife and if u say anythin to her again then you'l be eatin dirt through a straw for the rest of your life"
me - (abit lary) i'l tell you what it is rite, *squared up to him (and then i think i blacked out next thin in know im walkin out of the tiolet he's holdin the door for me"

jus judge man if its been neg after neg after neg then it can appear ur been a dick.

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what?

thanks for the tips guys. that will probably be the last time i go to that bar. unfortunatly, i've been working like crazy and haven't had the chance to go out since then.

That's good advice monkey. If it goes somewhere, then ride with it, it if doesn't, then get out of there. After reading that, i thought about a lot of my previous sets and all the girls that responded well to my openers, were the ones i always closed.

flipside - i think if i ignored him, he would have wanted to fight me as well. but next time something like that happens, i'll try ignoring the douche.

It seems like the harder i work, the less effective i am. I normally only open 2 or 3 sets a night. i opened like 10 at the country bar. Almost, like i was desperate for a girl to take me home. And i did always do better when i incorporated some genuine conversation in there instead of just running routine, after routine, after routine.

Sometimes i think that if she isn't laughing, giving me constant ioi's or completely intrigued by what i'm saying, she's losing interest in me. I mean, shit, there have been times when we are there fluff talking and I lose interest if she isn't smoking hot. I have also noticed that I am a ton more interesting than 99% of the chicks i meet.

oh well. I'm learning a ton. like monkey said, I have to go back to basics. I just got into this all about 3 months ago, so i have a long way to go. I need to meet some girls outside of the bar too.