Hey guys Spike Spiegel here. Let me just start off by saying what a night! Tonight was the first night I have ever been rejected hard and I'm not going to lie it hurt like a bitch. Although I did deserve it in retrospect I really would like your opinions on this.

Me and two of my friends who are both into pick up. Now I know that a lot of people say that picking up girls in Montreal is super easy. First off I've only had one girlfriend in my life and that's all the interaction I've ever had with a woman. I would like to select and choose the type of women I want in my life.

I started my night late. We went to Sir Winston Churchill around midnight. It's renowned for beautiful women and good music. Although the same can't be said about the beer. By a stroke of luck, me and my friends find a place to park ourselves for the night at one end of the bar, I do have to admit it was looking pretty bleak so far. Next to us was a poor lonely old man who looked completely miserable. I thought to myself fuck it, if this guy wants to feel miserable he's got to find another place to go, because everyone else in this club looked like they're having a good time. Don't get me wrong I am more than willing to give a helping hand to my fellow human but he had no one else to blame to put himself in that situation. Unless he's a pua in training and so happens to read this forums, I apologize! Alas I digress. Now that we're settled I really needed to get rid of AA as soon as possible, so I approached a two-set. They were both hb6s and very receptive to my opener. She flirted with me, told me I look like I took good care of myself. I thanked her, and quickly ejected as I had to get back to my friend. Good so far....

However nothing was happening in that part of the club so we had to go somewhere else. The bartender was smoking hot but she really tried to work her magic into getting me drunk. She was good at her job, you see I have a very low tolerance for alcohol. After three beers I end up feeling like I'm in a cloud. She was disappointed that I didn't buy more, but I had the last laugh because I was a cheap drunk. It's not a strong point for me, I've been using alcohol lately to start opening up and losing my inhibitions in a club.

We ended up going to the middle of the club where there was a lot more women and sets that needed to be opened. Sitting next to me was this hb8.5 with 2 friends,she had these streaks in her hair that looked like the sun's rays cutting through clouds on a lazy Sunday morning and green eyes that would break a man's heart if he wasn't careful enough. Oh and a really mean attitude to boot but my god I love bitchy women! Now this is one part of my game I really need help on. There was a lot of mixed messages I was getting and frankly feeling quite confused. I started off with who lies more, men or women ( I really need to find another opener at this point, I'm getting tired of it but I do end up doing just that, more of that in a bit).


Spike: I need an opinion on something me and my friends were talking, bla bla bla who lies more?
HB8.5: men, (who cares, I just say the opposite of what they usually say)
Spike: Funny you say that, I think its the opposite however men (or women) lie better wouldn't agree.
HB8.5: I suppose you are right
Spike: I take it from your answer that you've been lied to by X sex alot before?

Fluff talk
Spike: So besides being beautiful who else are you?

I thought this would be a good way to neg her and have her qualify herself to me

Hb8.5: thinks about it for a bit and smiles Say that again

I didn't realize it until now, she probably wanted to be told that she is gorgeous again so I repeat my question. I should have negged her again.

Hb8.5 I'm a comedian.
Spike Tell me a joke then

I thought this is a good way to have her qualify herself to me

Hb8.5 I have a mirror you can look at.

OUCH

Spike OUCH! Well that was a good one, I couldn't see it coming from you.

I think at this point I gave her my power. I tried to keep my frame in focus and not let it get to me, but that really bothered me for a bit. What do you guys think? But suprisingly she asks for my name and we start our introductions.


HB8.5: Say where are your friends.

This part I'm very confused about. Could she have meant that like she was getting annoyed and should get back to them? Or genuinely curious?

Spike: Here's my friend levice, meet hb8.5, and my friend Adam meet hb8.5

Pleasantries and other things happen between them

Spike Say you have friends over there, you should introduce them because that's the polite thing to do
hb8.5: hey guys meet adam and meet his dad(I'm 25 and he's 20)

I really didn't know how to take his signal so I told her haha real funny, you're a real joker you know that?

Introductions happen, Adam takes one of her friends away Levice had a bad case AA, I find out later on a set ejected him really badly. Just like my 3rd set of the night which I'll post about.

In any case, the alcohol was really getting to me so I really had nothing else to offer. I felt like I was drowning in a sea so I ejected, didn't say goodbye or nice meeting you. That was bad on my part, I suppose if things don't go my way now then who knows what will happen later on. I left on a semi bad note with her.

To those who have read so far, I hope that this post has been semi entertaining so far and that you've learned a lesson from it as well, but I'm not done.

Once finishing that encounter with that set I had to open up another one right away. I was in the moment, I was out of my shell and feeling tipsy. I noticed this one girl looking at me that was sitting next to me. I don't know what got into me to say this, I guess I was tired of using that familiar who lies more opener. I wanted to approach this in a cocky funny way, but completely blew up in my face.

Spike I noticed you've been looking at me, why is that?
HbWhat?!!?
Spike Yeah you've been looking at me
HB I just looked at you once!!!
Spike MMHHMMM.. yeah I'm sure.
HB You know you are very rude

This threw me off guard. I thought I was being playful/cocky/funny
Then this priceless line comes out.. Why was that stupid Timbaland"The way I are" song playing in the background at that moment?

Spike Yes I guess I am, and that's the way I am. Take it or leave it.

At that point the hb turns around to her friends, I turn around to my friends. I hear laughter and next thing I know glancing to the side of my head I see fingers pointing and laughing. Those fingers were all pointing at me, and I actually heard them say some really nasty things.

"big nose"
"baldy"

I've never been called baldy I guess the shaved head doesn't help.However that big nose comment really brought back a lot of bad feelings from my younger days in high school. I love my nose, it makes me who I am it goes well with my face. For a stranger to stoop that low and actually point and laugh at someone to make them feel miserable really makes me wonder how do guys even get away with saying lines like that in the first place? My delivery might have been wrong, so I ask how would anyone deliver a line so obnoxious yet so cocky at the same time to make a women respond in a positive way or a playful way?

Once again I thank those for reading, tonight has been quite the night of growth and new learning.


PS: I'm posting my picture in another thread, I'll link it to this one once it's up.

Mods, I wasn't sure if this would fall under the newbies category or the field report category. My apologies if this belongs in the newbies section.

Damn! I would have taken that badly too.. I can’t see your pic because I am in work and for some reason 'fast seduction' is blocked... everyone has some kind of obvious characteristic though, but if it’s a childhood issue then its always painful.

I guess that’s the danger of using a brash and in your face line, you have to be willing to except a equally brash statement back, but that ebing said she sounded like a bitch mate, so I wouldn’t have worried about it too much. I’m sure you could have pieced her apart and picked out something she was self conscious about, but you are a better person so rose above it, Nice one!

A.

Thanks for the kind words Mezzanine, in retrospect I think I was frowning when I started the opener hah. So I don't think it was all at a loss, I definitely learned something from it. I'm not sure who said this but I would rather get 1 million rejections than have never even gone out at all. Hell at least I have a funny story to tell my friends now.

My picture can be found here


Don't mind the shampoo bottle, I took it in the bathroom

I hear you on how comments like that might have hit you hard. I've never had to listen to that before but if I did, I'd do as you did ... ignore them and open the next set. A night like that, the moment you open another set and move on the better.

keep sargin'

You sounded like a guy that didn't know how to talk to women throughout your whole thread. Take my advice, don't use stupid lines, use situational openers that apply.

Also looking at your picture, you look like a very nervous/self concious person. You also have a smile that's too forced. If your smile is that forced everywhere, then just don't smile that much, just do a half smile or grin. You also need to change your body language, and at least look like a guy that gets laid a lot which in this picture you don't. Remember, fake it till you make it.

Unless I'm just going crazy and I'm wrong, let me know, I'll take back what I said, but if not, learn from this constructive criticism.

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Thanks a lot for your advice Nick, you're spot on and I appreciate all the feedback I can get. You are correct in assuming that I have never really known how to talk to women throughout my life. In high school I would follow a girl HOPING that she would talk to me. OH boy did I ever get that wrong. Let me tell you a bit of myself, I was this really awkward guy for the longest time I could remember, I come from a culture where eventually I will be forced to marry a girl of my parents liking. Understandably I wasn't allowed to talk to women for the longest time I can remember, as well let out of the house (imagine being grounded... forever). Now guys don't feel bad or anything, I just want you all to understand where I come from. I'm really taking this like a baby's first steps. All in all a whole new world is opening up in my eyes, not just pick up but social dynamics.

You're not the first person to say that about being self conscious in the way my body language is. I'm just going out there and making mistakes(plenty that's for sure) and trying to learn from them. I joined a gym so I can improve my posture and lose a bit of the weight around my stomach, hopefully that will help. What movies or material would you recommend? Which pua is good to emulate in the type of situation I am in?

Now about your comment, fake it till you make it. Wouldn't you consider that try hard a bit? I'm still trying to understand what is the line between what you said and "wannabe try hard". You aren't the first to say this as well, I really would love to get some feedback on this.

I can't really recommend anything because I haven't read much in a long time, being natural is how you want to progress. Well you may ask, how would you become natural? Well that's just it, it just comes to you with experience. Don't be a book junkie, don't sit on the forums all day, just go out and get experience. You can't learn to play ball without actually playing, and you can't learn to be great with women without actually talking to them everyday. Also, your writing style seems to be very apologetic in a way and usually your writing style reflects how you may act in real life so try to lose that and just imagine yourself being the man. I'll tell you from experience, about 85% of all guys are just douchebags, they suck at life and suck at many other things, so don't be afraid to just be the man, because chances are you would probably be a better person to the girl than the douchebag that's trying to talk to her.


I'm glad to hear that you go to the gym, thats a plus. Staying fit is a good way of living. Also, your past is not you, you can change everything about yourself in 2 days and it will be completely okay. Your parents may have raised you in a sheltered environment but that doesn't mean you have to stay with that mindset for the rest of your life.

You say that isn't fake it till you make it a little try hard? Well in a way it is, but unless you try hard at being good at something, how the hell are you going to get good at it? Now wannabe try hard is a different story, a wannabe doesn't progress or actually do anything, he just stays at the same level and pretends hes somebody hes not. Don't be a wannabe , be a try hard. And results will come. Again though, try not to be so self -conscious, you're better off being a cocky asshole who gets rejected, rather than the poor guy that just doesn't seem to get any because he has no idea how to handle women.

Some movies that you may want to watch that I would recommend are "Closer", just pay attention to Clive Owen, he has the type of mentality that you might want to emulate until you acquire your own. You seem like a nice guy and I wish you all the best.


PS: Sorry for being a little harsh in the earlier post but sometimes a cold hard slap is the best way to realize things.

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