Some of you may have seen my previous postings on here. I'm a 19 year old guy, going to be a college sophomore. Just to give you an idea of what I look like, I'm 5'8" black hair brown skin 150 lbs of Indian descent. I've really struggled with women and AA. Never had a gf or a kiss (until yesterday, which I'll get to), and I'm a virgin. I've always been stuck in the friends stage. I go to college on the East Coast, but I came home to California for my summer vacation. I started getting into the whole PUA scene by reading Style's book, and watching some vids including Mystery's The Pickup Artist. And I kept telling myself that I would try some of this stuff. Lo and behold, summer comes to a close next week and nothing had really happening with picking up girls. Thursday, I went to a strip club with a friend for the first time ever. I had a really good time and got some great dances. I knew that exotic dancers were perhaps the most difficult targets. I decided to go back yesterday with more of an intention to try and at least chat more with the girls and build my confidence. Knowing it probably wouldn't work out took the pressure off of me. So here's my story from yesterday. I'd really appreciate if you guys would read it and give me some input.

A friend (a guy) and I went to see Pineapple Express. Afterwards, we were bored so we decided to go to the strip club. My friend and I walk in and we get some sodas, we sit away from the main stage so we don't look too needy. I was dressed pretty well. Flat-ironed hair. Nice polo shirt, and some really cool looking shorts. I had put on some nice cologne and also some tag spray. Pretty much the best I can look, not saying too much. A pretty cute blonde named Lisa came by and talked with us for a bit before getting my friend to buy some dances. I also bought a few dances with different girls just to test them out. There was one extremely hot blonde that I asked for a dance. I tried talking her up before the dance but I could tell she wasn't really feeling it. So I just settled for the dance. Got a couple more dances and then went back to sitting down with my friend. Now this is where the story gets interesting.

Lisa, the girl that had initially approached us and danced for my friend, came by me and asked if I wanted a dance. I got two dances from her, but before she started, we sat on the couch and I had my arm around her and she was kind of leaning in and we were just talking. I could tell she was different than any stripper I'd met. She was real. I had two dances with her and I complimented how sensuous she was and all that. I went back to sitting down. Not too many customers were there so she came back over just to talk. I negged her a bit about not having anyone else to talk to. I got a lot of laughs from her. She was around 22 years old. She opened up to me a bit about how far she has to commute for work and also how she has a great guy in her life and all that. At that point, I didn't really care that she had a bf, I was just enjoying genuine conversation. I even complimented how hard she worked as a dancer. Key thing is that you need to call them dancers, calling them strippers just rubs them the wrong way. We kept talking for a while. We talked about how other dancers didn't always get along. She talked about some of the rude customers she's had and how I was a nice guy. Throughout the whole convo, she was really close to me. Her legs were crossed towards me and she played with her hair a few times. I thought they were IOIs but I just attributed that to it being her job. Anytime, I made a joke or some sort of flirty line, she would laugh and call me cute. She told me about how other customers she has to put on an act to talk to them. So I asked her if she was being real and genuine with me and she said she was and that sometimes good conversations were better than dance. She told me about how she's done things with other women. We watched another dancer go on the main stage and Lisa kept raving about her body. I joked with Lisa about how horny she seemed to be. Got some more laughs. She had to walk away for a while to fix her clothes.

In the meantime, I saw an extremely hot blonde that was willing to climb on guys laps to get them to buy dances and she succeeded with all of them. I knew I needed a dance from this girl. I stopped her and asked her for a dance. She said yeah and told me her name and that she was 20 and I told her I was 19. Her name was Jen. Again when we got to the couch, she told me she was 20 and I told her I was 19. I asked her what her touching rules were and she said I'd have to wait and see. What followed were the best lap dances money can buy. I can't even describe how good she was. She grinded and bounced on my cock. She let me spank her ass and squeeze it. She let me touch and even once lick her pussy through her panties. She let me lick the breasts. She let me lick her legs and touch all over. She licked and lightly bit my dick through my pants. She commented on how big my dick was twice. I joked that I wish I didn't have pants on so I could show her for real. Got a laugh there. She called me cute. I bought 3 dances from her. She licked my ear and neck. Basically she went farther than I thought any dancer would go at this club. After she finished, I was kind of in shock and I complimented how great she was and I gave her an extra tip. I asked her what other days she worked and she told me. I told her I'd love to get a VIP dance from her another day. Then she said, well I'll give you my phone number and you can call me. So of course I was shocked. She went backstage and put her number on a card and gave it to me. I bought another dance from her. Then I asked her for a kiss goodbye and without hesitating she puckered up and gave me a quick peck on my lips. Keep in mind, this was my first kiss ever. Then my friend wanted a dance after I had raved about her. So I motioned him over and she danced for him. Before she danced for him she told him that his friend (that being me) was cute. She also told him that she gave me her number and so he could call too if he wanted and maybe he could stick it in her for real. Jen was a total freak and I mean that in the best way possible.

So anyways, Lisa came back and we talked some more about how outdoorsy we were and I told her some of my life goals and she was very complimentary about them. At this point, my friend was out of money so he was ready to go. So I told her we had to go and offered to pay her for her time, but she didn't want me to. I asked for a kiss goodbye and turned my cheek towards her and got a kiss and a hug. I didn't want to number close because she had a bf that she seemed really serious about, but I just appreciate how genuine she was. I couldn't get the grin off my face because of how successful the night had been for me. My first kiss and number close from one girl and also a great time with another girl. My friend was very jealous.

Here's my dilemma. The wild girl Jen I told you about gave me her number and also her real name. On the card there was a number crossed out and then her number written in pen. So I was suspicious and called the number during her shift to make sure it was her voicemail that I'd reach and sure enough it was her voicemail. So I don't know whether to call her or not. First of all, I don't know if she gave me her number so I could call and check what days she works or for me to call for a date. I'm leaving for school in one week on the East Coast and so part of me doesn't see the point in just having a one-time thing. The other part of me thinks that based on how crazy and slutty this girl is, I could f-close possibly. Although seeing how promiscuous she seemed to be to get other customers to dance, I don't know if she might have any STD or something. Also, I don't know if she was just toying with me by giving her number. So my dilemma is whether to contact her or not and what my expectations should be. I'd also like some advice on my general approach at the club. What can I do differently to meet and pickup the girls? I plan on going back tomorrow by myself to test my skill. Any advice would be helpful. Sorry for the long post. I just didn't want to leave any details out so you guys could get a good read on my experience. I posted this thread on newbies as well.

Hey dude. Just so you know I'm a newbie aswell so don't take what I say as gold, but here is how I see it.

I think if you want to take it further with this Jen girl and stripper game in general try not to buy as many dances (if any at all) and I'll explain from my 1 strip club experience why I think that. I've only KNOWN about PUA stuff for a couple of months but the one time I went to a strip club (about 7 months ago for my buddies 21st) the only dance I bought was one as a b-day present for my buddy. The rest of the time was just spent chatting normally to the girls, they all asked if I wanted a dance though everytime I said no. Sometimes the girls were all business and would walk off straight after I said no (one of them right into the pocket of my friend, gave him a dance 20seconds after talking to him, he has no will power lol) but for the most part they seemed to respect me more for not buying a dance than if I had, they said that so many men just objectify them, just trying to get a dance off them. We continued to chat for a while longer, I was DHVing about being in a band etc and generally it went down well (remember this is without knowing any PUA stuff) I didn't #-close or anything but like I said I had no clue about PUA stuff and was genuinely just out for fun anyway.
So what I would say if you wanna take this further is to go to the club just to have fun, don't go there buying dances but just aim to have conversations with the girls, if that Jen is there she will more than likely see that you at some point not buying dances (you don't need to buy women, they come to you) and is bound to come over to you and try to get you to buy a dance from her (especially if you did this recently, she will probably remember that you bought one from her before and fancy her chances) just say you aren't looking for dances tonight and just out to have fun etc then try to get a conversation started, you need to get her out of her stripper programming first and make sure she is being genuine before you can be confident that if/when she gives you a number or kiss or any IOI it is Real Jen not Stripper Jen. I'd say get this going, build the rapport and attraction then go for a number close but make sure you stress that it is to hang out socially and not to see when she's working (because you're going by what her schedule dictates then). Make no hint about her giving you a number before, I have no evidence to back this but in my opinion, if it was genuine she will call you out on it saying like "hey I gave you it the other day" in which case you just say "yeh I know but I lost it when doing laundry" or something like that. If she doesn't call you out on it, it could mean that she does this often to try to get more customers in, then if she gives you a number you can cross reference it with the other number she gave you to see if it's the same number or a different number (regardless of if it's the same or not I think if you break her stripper programming she will give you a real one) if it is different then you'll know that the other number was definately for customers.

Sorry for the wall of text lol, but I hope it helps you out and that the advice I have given is the right advice (maybe someone more experienced can confirm for me).
Cheers
Musterion

p.s. I'm 19 aswell, power to the 19 year olds!!!!!

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Thanks for the great advice man. I definitely see where you are coming from. I will try to use a lot of your tips especially on not buying too many dances. I plan on going back tomorrow. So hopefully I can implement these techniques. And hopefully the girls I like will be there tomorrow. Any other tips would be appreciated as well.

Ok brother, here we go.

I have gamed dancers and dated two. Here are some pointers.

Never buy a dance from a dancer you aDHV as much as possible, make her qualify herself more than normal. In the end, you are money the more you act counter to normal behavior.

Yeah, I agree with Pan Pan. Never play into the typical. If you buy dances, you put yourself into a customer/dancer relationship.

I used to tend bar at a strip bar, and I've been privy to the girls' off-stage chatter. If you pay them, they'll try to milk you for every penny. Once they've got it, they'll move on. Most of them are out to make money - this is work for them. Thursday-Saturday are their money nights. If you go on a Tuesday when it's quieter, they'll be more likely to sit and chill.

That girl who let you feel her up, then gave you her card isn't giving you her card for you to do anything other than hire her as an escort or perhaps a private dancer. The other girl seemed genuinely interested in YOU as you. Keep your eyes on the prize, and be different. Have a good DHV story to tell her, make her laugh, and try a few negs - "I love that outfit - I'm really glad it's so popular these days"... that sort of thing.

Good luck!

Two thumbs up. Now I get it . . .