OK, it's nearly 3am here. Just got back from the bars. Trying to do a quick firled report whilst it's still fresh in my head.

First bar. I see a the hot bar girl who I actually once kissed on a night out briefly, She's wearing a hot outfit as it's some sort og 'theme night' at teh bar. I say ''That is SOME outfit!''. She gives me a weird look and ignores me! I'm in shock. Why couldn't she be friendly and banter?

We then go to a bar with a dance floor. Order some beers and hit the floor!

I'm nervous and i'm with 2 guys who NEVER approach! I dance near 2 hot girls and make eye contact and wave at them. They smile and wave back. Good. I put my arm on one's shoulder and say ''Hey! You're cute. Who are you?!'' She says ''Kelly!!''. Then she says ''what's your name?''. I said ''I can't tell you?''. She says ''why?!!!''. I say ''because, if i put a baby inside you and you have my name, you'll be able to find me and make me pay child maintentance!!''. Her reaction is one of shock. She laughed for a SPLIT second, and then puts her hand in my face and turns her back to me, and I see her tell her friend what I said!. Before you tell me off and say that was a bad line, I got a brillliant reaction from taht same line recently. You never know what is right or wrong, because every girl is different! Whatever. I thought it was funny! I was told to not adapt my humour and to 'self amuse'!

Soon after, my friend tells me that teh same girl I upset is looking at me and dancing near me, but i fell too anxiuos ton flirt with her now, after seeing her reaction!

I now approac some hot girl and tell her that she has the smalleest feet in the workd!. She did. She also laughed and we spoke brielfy. She was from Hungary. Pretty.

It fizzled out. But about 5 minutes after, IO see her again, and give her my hand. She rejects me, OUCH!. fELT Bad. And then, some other girl, acting like her body guard, tells me her friend is not interested. Feeling quite low now, but determined to perseverere.

I go to get a beer and approach 2 girls at teh bar. I couldn't think of a clever opener or anything. I just said 'Hey!!''. I asked how their night was going. Then guessed what they did for a job. They tell me they are air hostesses. I stuggled a bit to keep the conversation going. All of teh 'practice' in the world doesn't seem to help with being bad at making conversation. Anyway, I tell them to come and find me on the dancefloor.

I approach another hot girl and she gives me a horrible gesture. Kind of puts her hand in front of her eyes and looks disguested as if to say ''Please!! You are not in my league''

So now I see some chineses lady. She's old. About 55! But she is dancing with lots of attractive girls. She grabas me and asks me which of her friends i like as if she is some sort of madama at awhore house. I point at one. SHe grabs the girl and pushes her towares me.

I start flirting with this pretty girl. She is Hungarian. Soon we are kissin on the dance floor. Theh I move her away and finger her and play with her tits. Then she tells me she has to to and find her sister.

Then I bump into the 2 British air hostesses from earlier. They grab me and we talk. Dance a little.

Then the Hungarian I kissed comes back, and we make out heavily again in front of the air hostesses, which I guess ruined any shot I had with either of them.

Then I see one of the hot air hostesses who seemed to be being friendly towards me making out with some guy. Forget about them two now.

Now the Hungarian girl I kissed is grinding up against some big bald guy, but not kissing him. I think he was just a friend in their group. I spot another girl and grab her and tell her I like her. She is yet another Hungarian girl. I run some game on her. Ask her all kind of shit about her life and tease her and stuff. I kino her and she, for once in my life, is blatantly kinoing me back! She likes me and basically tells me so, but She tells me that she saw me kissing her teenage friend! (I haId no idea she was so young. I'm old, dont forget!). I said ''No, no , no. she kissed ME!!'' and laughed it off.

We come close to kissing a few times, but she tells me that MOST Hungarian girls don't just kiss random guys, and it takes a few dates before you get sex and that she's only ever had one 'one-night-stand' and that she's 29, but she was also being very touchy feely. She initiated kino a fewq times. She told me she had to go as all her friends were leaving. She kissed my neck and pecked me lips but refused to makeout despite seemingly wanting too. i got her number

Then, as I was leaving, I saw some girl on the dancefloor. I thought 'fuck it'. I just grabbed her and said ''You are cute!''. She said ''thanks!!!''. Then i Pulled her towards me. She didnt' resists. Then I just started making out with her. Then I left her as my brother was being thrown out of the club and I needed to back him up in case things kicked off

The end.

Not sure what to make of it. Making out with 3 girls, 2 of which were hot Hungarian girls is good. But I feel as though it was just a mixture of luck/dancefloor game/ and the crazy chinese girl who kind of enabled it. I'm mainly thinking about eh harsh rejections I got, but maybe that's just my state of mind. It was a great night although I don't tihnk it shows muxh in the way of 'improvement' in terms of 'game'


Going over it all in my head now.

I'm finding myself thinking about the rejections as opposed to the 'successes'. Working out if I done anything 'wrong' that I can actually learn from, or whether it was just a matter of the girls who rejected me wouldn't have been receptive to me no matter what my approach. 'No girls' as Mark Manson might say.

Other thoughts surround the Hungarian girl I made out with (and a bit more!) I felt as though to give myself a shot at taking her home, I had to build some sort of comfort and rapport, but she didn't really want to talk. Everytime i asked her a question, she just wanted to kiss! I managed to isolate her, but again, she didn't seem interested in talking. Not sure what the solution is there. I know it's common for girls to kiss guys, but not sleep with them, and I guess it's usually down too a lack of really knowing much about the other person, but with her, it felt impossible to break that barrier.

Also thinking about the air hostess girls. I think they were receptive, but that my general conversation skills let me down. It seems that i'm unable to really improve much in that area despite my best efforts and practice. Like it's an innate gift I don't have. I sometimes think of better responses and more interesting questions the next day, but it's too late by then - Little things like even finding out about her job as an air hostess. There's probably interesting questions I could have asked based on that, but nothing sprung to mind. My other mistake was not physically escalating with them much after they grabbed me on the dancefloor. Or even verbally. Just telling her that she is hot and then see what her reaction is like would have been better than just small talk, and then just dancing near them


edit:

OK, new memories are creeping in. Nothing much to write about, but I like to 'put it all out there' so that I can refer back to it.

I made an approach on a gorgeous gorgeous girl who was sitting down as I came back from teh rest room. She seemed to be in a group, but isolate - on the outskirts. She yawned.

I approached her and asked if she was bored. She smiled but didn't really reply. There were a couple of guys in the group and I felt them looking at me. I nearly got attacked for merely talking too a girl recently who was wih her boyfriend, so I was maybe a bit weary.

I can't quite remember what I said. I think I asked her who she was with, and possibly told her I thought she was cute. Either way, I wasn't getting much back from her, and I just smield and told her i'd see her around and ejected.

Another memory is from the 2nd Hungarian girl. The one who seemed to like me, but had seen me making out with her friend earlier.

We'd been talking for like 15 minutes and she said something like ''You just want sex for one night''. I said ''What makes you say that?''

She said ''Because you never asked for my name''.

I'm thinking ''Shit....how did I forget to ask for her fucking name!!? I'm an idiot''.

But I tried to reframe it, and I said ''Why would I ask for your name? What is in a name?? A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet!''

She cracked up laughing and I kind of passed that little test I think!

Anyway, just wanted to update with that as it made me chuckle a minute ago when I rememebred it

Well dude in my opinion in all of these sets you just jumped in without settling your thoughts. You seem to think that you can just improvise at any set. And that's cool its even brave, but. You have to have a planned step by step plan in your aproach and then you can imrovise while knowing what youre doing. For example if you say something to her and she doesnt reply, be prepared to give her a nag. Always use a time restraint cause it makes you look like youre not really interested in her and it works. And dont wait for her to respond to you and set the energy mood. Its your set, not hers. Its your night out. You go in with your energy and you dont even give her an eye contact if shes lower then your level of energy. Just tell her te opener and act like you got better things to do then beg her for a conversation. And with hot girls- nag nag nag.....make her question if youre complimenting or insulting her.

Just my opinion

Do you mean I should be using old school 'routines' and stuff? I was under the impression that they are thought of as a bit cheesy and outdated nowadays.

I do however feel I need something better to talk about after the open. All conversations seem to go the same way. Who are you here with, what do you do etc.

What do you tend to say first after you have opened a girl in bar/pub?

The old routines work wonders. The problem is that the old lines can be cheesy. But the concept of opener-nag-nag-building comford-leave the set or change locations. I think that always works. You should come up with your own openers and lines but the process is the same.