Hey guys !

I need some advice to damage control ! Here's the story

I met this girl 4 months ago. For a while we'd only exchanged messages occasionnally on facebook. Then she accepted to have a drink with me (but it took about a month to manage it...). That's when we had probably the best date ever, laughing all the time, teasing each other. I actually used the puch-pull method without knowing it yet, and used the 5 questions routine from Style to get her to go to the movies, and it worked amazingly.

And actually, before going there we went dancing first and also had a great time, and she was the one asking me to go to the movies before she went on holidays, and was making sure when were my own holidays.

Now here's the thing, i'll do it as short as possible. What I understood is that her ex, which she already talked about quite a bit during our dates as an example, kind of suggested they get back together, and she got her hopes up. So she didn't really answer me anymore, though we had a great 40 minutes phonecall when she got back, but she kind of eluded seeing me again.

However things ended very very badly with her ex, and she was crushed and now hates her. She was a little mean because she was hurting so much, so I punished her and didn't talk to her anymore and stopped liking her facebook pictures.

Now, she's the one that came back to talk to me, I called her after a message she sent to ask how I was back from holidays, and as I had planned beforehand I didn't ask her out. But she just talked about her ex mainly. I manage to deviate the conversation, but in the end she's the one that cut it short after 15mins, when I wanted to cut it myself (I know I should have done it earlier, but I wanted some positive vibe in the conversation before cutting it).

I know she likes me, because she's sending me some IOIs (she actually called me back like 20s after she didn't answer) and we already had some light kino going on during our 3 dates, but I need to take it up a notch. I was thinking about using Mystery's phone routine which i'll explain here if you don't know it:
-I call her and outright start by saying "I hate you"
-Then I tell her some backstory about a specific food item that has some special importance or meaning (for me it's spinach taglietelle with carbonara)
-Then I tell her that I went for groceries, and was thinking about her and bought some for her
-Finally I say "the reason I hate you is because I don't even know if you like (insert food item)"

This serves 2 purposes, first to eliminate LMR by proving you're protective of loved ones and that you're going to stick around. Second to get her to come to your house for a date.

What i'm planning after setting a date is ending with half of the cube routine and cut it short pretexting an important call, and finish it at our date, so that she has an excuse to come and not cancel.

What do you think about it ? Is this good for damage control or should I go backwards a bit more with DHVs before escalating it and going for another date ?

Did you kiss on the date? If not, why?

When I ever come across situations like this where I am in the middle of something, I never get my hopes up. I just suggest a drink together and see if she accepts or makes excuses.

The phone routine seems cringe though. Like I said...Be normal and arrange a private meet and see what happens. if she agrees and meets. MAKE A MOVE. If she makes excuses or gives you the 'Maybe next week' I would move on to chase other girls

So that you can prevent the oneitus that is about to happen to you (If it hasnt' already happened yet)

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Thanks for the advice Dargula. Do not worry, I had fallen into oneitis with her, but it's passed and now I see this as a training opportunity to see how far I can push it and get as much experience as possible, no matter what the outcome is. This is a good opportunity to test out the routines and techniques I'd like to use in the future, and test out how I am overall according to the LAS VEGAS method. I'll even certainly ask her for feedback afterwards

No I haven't kiss-closed in any of the dates with her, that's still a sticking point for me and I can't yet figure out when and how to initiate a kiss-close (she's actually really short and didn't know how to start the smelling for Evolution Phase Shift, and I didn't know any other kiss close at the time)

Anyway, if anything interesting happens, I'll let you know my results.

Good luck

I am not against routines or anything but
This crap is going to do more harm than good.

Just google 'How to kiss a girl' and try something, these old school methods embrace hiding your desire to want her. I really think it would be more beneficial for you to simply make a move next time you're alone together. Girls like to feel desired and reward the guys that try for it

Being normal (especially) at this point is the best thing for you to getting the result. Make a move, bro. Next time you hang out. I am telling you from 1st hand experience. Make a move, bro. Next time you hang out.

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Ok guys, here's a follow up on my field report.

So following Dragula's advice, I started by just texting for news. Well she immediately called me, and was the one to invite me out. After a change of plan due to weather, we went dancing yesterday. All through the evening we heavily teased each other as usual so no surprise there. She also did some intense eye contact (she's short so it was difficult not to notice her looking up at me heavily)

When we got to the time she had planned to leave, she said time had passed to quickly, so we decided to take a walk some more. I kino escalated (hand touching, putting my arm around her), and while she didn't really react, she didn't chase me away either. Then we both had to get back home, and she told she wanted to see me again asap.

During the whole evening I didn't feel like going in for the kiss, because the party was quite crowded and our walk was in the middle of the city so not much intimacy was possible and I decided to just enjoy and go with the flow.


Now first of all here are some questions. Do you think I should have made a move anyway ? And if so, how could I have created the feeling of intimacy next to a heavy frequented boulevard ?

Next i'm planning to invite her for dinner and practicing the dance at my place. She's clearly into me and I don't think she'll refuse. And it'll be much easier to move in in that context. What do you think ?

Always make a move on a date. ALWAYS.
This is an excuse, you have to make it happen instead of waiting for it to happen.
Why did you both have to go home?

I will never agree to a date with a girl if she has to get somewhere, same goes for myself. Modesto, you are not preparing for the best case scenario. You are playing not to lose, instead of playing to win. This is important.

Next time you hang out, you HAVE to make a move. This next time will make or break you. She wants a man, not a pussy, she has one of those already. He who dares, wins.

Surely when you hugged her goodbye, that would have been an ample opportinity to go for the kiss????? SURELY?

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Thanks for the feedback, it's quite enlightning.

The reason I didn't go in while hugging goodbye is because I follow Style's rule never to close right before leaving. But I probably need to let go of rules since this is now way past fast seduction, so good point.

One more question. how would you have done it ? Say you're in a very crowded place in open air and there is nowhere to exctly isolate. Same question while walking on a heavy boulevard ? Now that I think more about it I have my hints, but i'd like your opinion on it.

You need to unlearn that shit. Seduction is just not linear like that. If you are one on one with a girl, THAT IS ISOLATION, so disregard that. It is only an issue when she has 6 pairs of eye's on her from her girly friends...

Kiss when you feel like wanting to kiss. during convo, I will just slow down my speech, then just take her hand and gaze into her left eye, then to her right eye and then to her lips and back to her eye's and so on and slowly go in fot it.

You can use a million of the kiss close routines that the internet provides to you. The fact is, you just didn't prepare for it because you're not expecting it.

Yes, you shouldn't wait to the end of the date since it is very cliche, but i suggested that because you chickened out to do it DURING the date anyway...it is better to do it than not to do it...
I have no idea what this even means? Again, you're treating this an ABCD linear process. It is doing more harm than good for you.

Keep it simple. Next time you meet:

1) Meet at your place where you will cook her some nice food
2) You will have red wine
3) You will have Netflix ready
4) You will kiss her and go for the full close

In my experience, if you do not make the move on the next meet, you are toast and you're gonna lose her. I am telling you from 1st hand experience.

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Great stuff, thanks I'll keep all of that in mind.

And yes, i'm pretty linear and procedural in my actions and have a hard time improvising (no matter the area actually, be it professional or personal) but it's already much better than a few years back

Yeah, or you could be a pussy.

That may be harsh dude, but man the fuck up and make a move.
No you decided to take the easy way out by doing NOTHING!
Yes, you should have, you don't need to create something that's already slapping you in the face.
You had her right here, she would have followed you anywhere or done anything.

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Man, you guys are harsh! But it's actually making me wake up. You are completely right I should've gone in right there, but chickened out the whole evening. I came with the same conclusion myself after Dragula's answer.

I really need to unlearn a lot of what I learned with all these clichés that you see in movies and all... No more excuses for me !