Alright, I'm going to keep a log of my interactions with women here. I won't go into too much detail. I just want to keep a general view of my efforts over time.

So far I have gotten zero lays. I'm not a virgin though. I've had sex with over a hundred prostitutes. Hopefully I will write up a lay report sometime in the future.

Three most recent nights out at the club

1. Approach girl. Say I like her hair colour. Ask what her favourite colour is. Ask what colour her nail polish that's coming off is.
2. Approach girl. Say I find her gorgeous. Talk a bit but don't keep the conversation going.
3. Approach girl, determined to not let this one fizzle out. I say "you are gorgeous, you are gorgeous, you are gorgeous". She says that I'm weird. I ask her how I'm weird and how I should approach women correctly. She says she is a lesbian. I say I don't believe her. She then kisses her friend. I say that doesn't mean anything. Her friend says I should leave. I just screw up my face. Target asks my age. She says she's 17 - underage. She says I'm weird again and asks if I'm just leading her on (this I find interesting). She says her face isn't really pretty - it's just the makeup that makes it look so. I tell her "It's not the face you fuck - it's the fuck you face".

1. Approach girl, say she's the first girl I've talked to that night.
2. Approach same girl as in approach number one. She's sitting alone this time. I say I like her outfit. She says she likes mine. I get to know her a little bit but she goes off to get a drink.
3. I approach the same girl again. She's seems cold now though for some reason. I ask her if she's alright. I tell her I don't know what to say. I place my arm around her - she takes it off. She says she just wants to be left alone. I say before I go I would just like to...and I go in for a pash. She moves her head back. I place my hand on her thigh. She removes it. I say "sorry, I'm a bit inexperienced with women".
4. A dude tells me to approach this woman so I do. I stare at her tits. She asks me my name and we introduce ourselves. Then the dude comes in and then his friend. So now it's two girls and three guys just playing around. They mention kissing. I go in and try to kiss each girl but they both reject me. I joke that I've been rejected three times that night! The other dude pashes one of the girls a bit though.
5. I break off from the group to approach a girl and her friend. I get to know her a bit, she's very friendly, initiating high fives. I don't pursue the conversation though. Target a bit too heavy set for my tastes and I wasn't feeling too horny.
6. On the dancefloor I interact with the group of guys and girls again. I get a nice hug from the girl in the group I like.

1. A woman approaches me. We talk a bit and then go on the dancefloor (she came without any friends). She dances with me a bit and then some other chick comes up to me and grabs my hands and dances with me (I don't mind as I find her attractive). After the short dance she hugs me and thanks me for the dance. Then the original woman dances with me again but then the other chick dances with me again! Then back to original woman again. The music stops - nightclub now closing. Woman bids me farewell but before she finished I interject and say that I would like to spend the night with her. She tells me that she doesn't do one night stands.

Bonus daytime material for this post
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Daytime - few weeks ago

1. Real estate lady collecting 'open for inspection' signs. I go up to her as she's putting stuff in the boot of her car. I tell her I'm looking for a place to rent in the area (I kick myself for saying this. Was too nervous to go in direct straight away). After she answers I tell her what I really wanted to say. I look down at her stockings and tell her "I like you're stockings, very sexy". As I look back up she's already getting into her car. She says "Thanks! Have a good day!".

Daytime - early this year

1. There's this chick who works in a store. I find her quite attractive. Whilst sitting outside the store on various occasions I've seen her milling about. On this particular day I decided to do the ballsy thing and go in the store purely to hit on her (no one else was in the store at the time).

I go in and she asks how she can help me. I put my hand on my racing heart and tell her I don't normally do this. I then tell her that I find her gorgeous or quite attractive or whatever I said. She says thank you and that I've made her day. We chat a bit. Part way in the conversation (a lull) I focus my eyes downward to her cleavage. She adjusted herself as I did this. Then I looked back up and then down again and she adjusted herself again! Anyway, I asked if she had a boyfriend and she said that she does. I asked if it was serious and she said that indeed it is. With that, I told her that I felt I had nowhere left to go wit the conversation and so bid her farewell.

Daytime - at the beach - late last year - day before Christmas

There was a chick sitting on a bench overlooking the beach. After a fair bit of hesitation I finally approached her. She told me she was from Japan and that she's basically been backpacking around Australia. It was a little awkward talking to her as her English wasn't great bit it was okay. I tell her I like her skin colour (it wasn't the usual Japanese white, it was a nice tan brown). After a bit she gets up to walk around town a bit. I tell her I'd like to join her (even though it was hot and I was getting dehydrated). She says she's okay with that so I walk with her a bit. I'm sweating like crazy in the heat though! Once at the main part of town where the shops are she says I look 'drunk' and bids me farewell. I don't mind this as it's definitely home time for me at this point! Before we part ways I tell her that I'd like her Facebook. None of our phones have access to Facebook though so I get her to type her name in. Once at home on the computer though I can't find her profile.

I see this girl a couple of days later at the beach again. I was sitting on the same seat she was sitting on before. Out of the corner of eye I see a person come and look out over the rail. Then the person walks down the steps onto the sand. It's only then I realize that thisperson was the Japanese chick. I feel shit as I watch her walking along as she's gorgeous (tall, dyed blonde/light brunette hair, and that lovely brown skin). I wondered if she rejected me because she would have obviously saw me sitting on the bench. Maybe she thought I rejected her! I kick myself for not looking in the corner of my eye. I could have called her name immediately after noticing her but yeah, I wasn't sure if she really wanted to talk to me or not.

Alright, my mission tonight is to get laid. I've been going out to clubs every Saturday night for years with this objective but I have never actually accomplished it yet.

So, my next post in this thread better be a damn lay report! This is something I want to get done. I either get laid tonight or I don't. Mission success or mission failure. Not mission almost success or that was alright as I did a few efforts. No, I must ensure I go all the way here. If I don't go all the way it will never happen.

I must be prepared to handle shit tests. Even using a perfect opener chances are still high that I will get a shit test.

I must not be afraid to look whereever the fuck I want and be sexual.

I must not be afraid to re-approach a target if I feel that there's a chance with her.

I shouldn't limit myself to just making approaches in the areas of the club that are quieter. Don't be afraid to approach on the dance floor. Who cares?

I must do my best in every single interaction. Treat every target like I really want her because at the end of the day I just want to get this done. I don't care if the target is a bit fat or whatever. As long as I get to have some fun fucking her it doesn't matter.

I must zone in on the target. Don't disengage and look away from her. I must concentrate.

I shouldn't consume alcohol. It makes me feel too tired. This is about getting pussy. Next time I can drink if I want.

As soon as I enter the club I should approach who I like. I shouldn't waste time 'warming up'. This is a mission - no time to waste. No just sitting/standing around looking and drinking and playing with my phone. Stand up, identify targets and go for it!

Your discipline seems amazing dude, and after all those rejections mentioned in the first post? I'm super surprised that you were able to persevere and continue chasing girls those nights. I would have felt like utter shit.

I'm like you, I've only ever banged prostitutes. I'm getting a LOT better with the ladies though, and I know that once I start having sex that I don't pay for, I will be awesome at it. I last forever, yoga has changed me to be more spiritual and emotional, and my stamina is incredible. My dick might not be very big, but it gets the job done.

I think one thing that will help to keep in mind is that it needs to be fun. The second it feels like a mission, that you feel the absolute NEED to impress a girl, and not just be playful, as newbies, we're fucked. We need to enjoy ourselves. Don't go out to meet girls. Go out to have fun. I know that I'm not properly being social when I talk really fast, and I feel the absolute NEED to respond to every little thing people say. It's better to just not give a fuck, and don't do anything you don't want to do.

Instead of "approaching" a girl, just have fun dancing and having a couple drinks, and extend your hand out to a girl to get her to dance with you. You won't have to talk fuck all, and you can practice your dancing with girls. "approaching" takes all of the fun out.

Or, when you go to order drinks, order next to a hot girl, then say "Hey, what's up?" "Your dress is simply RAWVISHING, DAWLING."

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I succeed where others fail, purely because the fire inside burns brighter than the fire around me.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that its a much better way to live. The second you stop focusing your energy on trying to attract girls is the second that you become successful with them. They will sense your authentic positive energy, and EVERYBODY wants to be a part of that, not just women.

Having fun without girls>eliminates the need for girls>girls sense you are awesome>they want to be your friend>you are good.

I've also learned that even when you're having fun and you've earned the respect of the group, it's kinda weird to just ask for numbers. Simply offer to add everyone on facebook, or twitter, and you can update with awesome shit!

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Well, last night was a failure again, which wasn't too surprising. I tried to start the night with the things mentioned in my post above but I was sub-standard as ever. I felt uncomfortable with the loud club music and everything was too restless around me to go through with my plan. Approach anxiety was at an all time high and I didn't do anything for well over an hour or so.

Eventually I managed to approach a seated two set. "You're the first two girls I've talked to tonight". The initial approach was okay. There wasn't anxiety in building up to the approach - I just did it. But as usual my execution of the interaction was crap. As usual, I didn't get rejected but I didn't maintain the conversation and I just looked in between the girls and they eventually went back inside. It was a waste. I've wasted so many approaches like this.

Eventually with frustration, despite my commitment to remain sober, I gave in and had an alcoholic beverage. And then I had another one immediately afterwards!

I wasted another approach by going up to a girl, saying "I just wanted to say you look absolutely gorgeous tonight", her saying "thank you" and me saying "You're welcome" and ejecting. I liked that approach apart from the fact I ejected. I could have re-approached her but I didn't.

So, despite having big plans for the night and trying to go in with a mission mentality, I had a fairly average night. It wasn't surprising as even before I went out I knew it would go this way. By the time it was time to go out I didn't actually feel like going out!

I'm not sure what I can do to start my nights with more confidence. Some of my best nights out in the past started with high confidence but I can't seem to replicate that for some reason.

One Saturday night out last year was fairly average. I'd go up to chicks and look at them but not say anything to them. I felt ballsy for approaching and looking though but obviously that alone won't get me very far. The following day however something in my mind clicked on the state of mind I should have when doing approaches. It was an 'ah-ha' moment but it's not really logical. With this I looked forward to the next night out to try out this new mentality. And so when Saturday finally rolled around again I went out with very high confidence. A substantial amount of time elapsed before I did my first approach for the night but I wasn't fazed about that. I was enjoying myself - having a dance and a drink. And when I did do my first approach I felt awesome. I felt an immediate connection with the target and that I was definitely going to sleep with her. Unfortunately, her friends came and collected her.

That night ended well with an extensive make out which is the next best thing to a one nighter. I could have gone out and had a relationship with the girl I made out with but she was a bit heavy set for me (plus I'm not sure if I want a relationship with anybody yet).

So, I'm not sure how future clubs nights are going to pan out. I'm just going to be content with taking baby steps I suppose. I take pride in the fact that I can suddenly just get up and compliment a girl without any nervousness. It can just get frustrating that I have a habit of not following through with interactions. It's not sexual frustration because I don't really get horny, it's just frustration from the stand point on what I'm trying to achieve. Oh well, I guess I can only hope to have that 'ah-ha' moment again sometime.

One thing I did get out of last night though is that a chick told me where she works. Maybe I can call her up at her work and ask her out.

I've only ever really been on one date and would like more dates as I think I can be confident and have a high chance of getting laid (logistics willing) in those.

These days I never feel a need to impress a girl. The number one rule I try to follow is to not care what the girl thinks. The confidence that comes from this alone - saying what I want to say - is enough to generate attraction I think. That and making the girl feel comfortable of course. If a girl doesn't seem to like the way I go about things then fine, it's time to move on to the next one.

The problems I face are that sometimes I tend to do just a bit here and a bit there. For example, I'll go up to a girl and start a conversation but won't follow through with it, or I'll make eye contact with a girl but not approach her etc. I thought going in with a mission mentality would help to increase my discipline in regards to this in order to finally complete the ultimate objective of getting laid.

What I've come to realize is that I don't have a huge drive to get laid. As you know, I've banged a lot of prostitutes throughout the years and that seems to have satiated the strong desires I would otherwise have.

So, because my sex drive is low I don't think the drive alone is enough to get me motivated enough to do what I should be doing in order to pick up. What tends to motivate me more is the thrill of approaching and not caring what they think as a personal challenge kind of thing. The fact that I can potentially get unpaid for sex and relationships with this is why I ultimately do it, but I still feel good making efforts unless I get impatient at getting the actual end game objective accomplished.

What I'm focused on now is "pulling triggers". See a hot girl, pull the trigger, approach her. Pulling the trigger is the hard part. Once that is done it's time to shift the mind into a different mode in order to concentrate on the conversation and be able to handle shit tests etc. Last night out at the club I was pulling triggers but not going into the appropriate conversation mode afterwards despite trying to be all prepared for it.

First off, Congratulations on being willing to get out there and work on getting better with women. That's the first and most important step. You've seen some successes and that's great. Now for the ugly part...

I don't believe you're very realistic or understand the steps that you need to take to get laid. Your optimism is good, but I think it's clouding your judgement. Getting a club makeout and getting a lay are two completely different animals. But I think even BEFORE we get to that point, we need to fix a few things in your approach

I'd suggest that you learn to hold a conversation. Going up to a woman and saying "hi you're gorgeous" then walking away does you absolutely no favors. You want to CONTINUE that conversation, display positive personality traits, get her attracted, and physically escalate. There's lots about each of those on the forum, but you'll definitely want to first work on furthering your interactions.

Keep up the good work, keep trying, and I'm sure you'll achieve your goals.

I almost did an approach today. Well, I was prepping myself for it but when it actually came time to do it my mind just sort of froze, I thought 'NO' and then just proceeded to walk on. I thought of walking back to the target but I didn't - I just kept on walking back to the office (this was on my lunch break).

This kind of shit happens to me time and time again. Time just keeps ticking and I never get anywhere. My club game has been more consistent lately - I always tend to do at least one or two approaches now whereas before a lot of the time I'd be unable to do anything. Still, last couple of clubs nights have been fairly average.

I feel like I need something to kick start me into action again. But I don't know what I can do to get me more motivated.

I've given up pornography. I used to enjoy but it now I hate it. I hate just sitting there watching people having sex on my monitor. Even just thinking about it now makes me feel kind of weird.

The problem with it is the pornography is kind of real in a way when it isn't. As in it's like a drug and can you get the same sort of feelings as you do having sex even though it's just pixels on a screen.

Late last year I kept away from these forums and any pick up artist related material as I figured I didn't need any of that as I knew how to do it. I was happy late last year. I was doing approaches every now and then but then eventually it wasn't enough.

Now I'm posting on these forums more than I ever have previously. But out on the field I'm still not doing very much. And the things I do are usually half-arsed.

Last night out at the club there was chick there who really took my fancy. I watched as another dude chatted her up and danced with her on the dance floor. Eventually he got her number and left. He looked pretty pleased with himself when he left.

I've never had the pleasure of getting a number like that. I never set out to get a number - especially in a night club. My objective is a same night lay. So I figured I would see if I can do one better than the dude.

It took a little while to approach the chick on the dance floor. I never really approach on the dance floor. Everyone was dancing around me and I just walked up and said 'you are freaking gorgeous'. 'Thank you' she replied and resumed dancing. I just stood there and my mind kind of just froze like in the story I detailed in the start of the post. I then effectively thought 'bah, I can't be bothered' and after a few seconds just left the club for the night.

I kind of kicked myself for not hanging in there and trying to pick the chick up but another part of me was happy that I at least approached. The problem is that I seem to be content with mediocrity.

What's funny is that standing afar looking at the chick I found her hot, but when I went up to her and talked to her it took it to another level. She didn't look as gorgeous up close, but she looked more realistic, as in that I could actually bang her. This kind of got me horny and I would have almost had to wank that night (I hardly ever wank these days) as a release.

I really want to bang hotties and not just do this PUA stuff for the thrills. I need to get into women's spaces to start getting in the zone though. Standing from afar I am optimistic but not HUNGRY!

I think I could have easily have had 'Mission Accomplished' last night.

There was a chick at the club last night who I have met previously and seemed to like me. So last night I approached her and by God she was throwing up so many compliments. When asked if I had ever had sex before I decided to be completely honest and tell her I've only ever had it paid for. I don't think this was a wrong move at all. Fuck what they think! All the compliments came after I spilled the beans!

I think all I needed to do was tell her that I wanted to bang her and she would have complied. All I needed to do was re-approach her for this but I procrastinated with it. Eventually she left the club and so it was a potential golden opportunity missed.

I didn't do much else last night. An older lady started talking to me and I tried reeling her in so to speak. "I'm thinking it would be nice to cuddle up with you tonight" or whatever I said and she responded "yes that would be really nice". But then she said she's not keen on one night stands. Maybe if I was more experienced at persuasion, and/or worked on her more, I could have got her to comply.

Bunch of guys I got talking to were seemingly trying to help me get laid. One chick grinded me on the dance floor and I think this was after one of the guys said something to her. They said "she wants you. Go talk to her".

I don't know. I'm not good with the high energy dance floor stuff. But that last bit of the night seems to indicate that getting laid isn't that hard.

Unfortunately I ended the night with a bit of a sour note by doing my usual thing and going to a brothel which sort of counteracts the eventfullness of the time at the club (even though I only did one approach - but it's not like approaches mean anything on their own really).

It's funny. I put all this effort and thought into trying to get an unpaid for root but I don't really think much what the unpaid for root, once I actually do get it, will actually be like. This is especially so in the heat of battle, like last night for instance.

I possibly had multiple opportunities to get laid last night. Imagine if I had actually capitalized on one of them.

Logistics do come to find in the heat of battle. For instance, with the girl who seemed to like me last night, I thought of would I do her in the backseat of my car, or get a motel room or go to her place. Still, this is technical thinking, it's not actually thinking that tonight could actually be the night I accomplish my objective - although I did actually think that in a matter of fact kind of way.

I did get horny talking to that older lady. She wasn't the type I would usually approach but half way through the conversation my dick got hard, especially when I decided to attempt to reel her in.

There was a bit of magic in that interaction. It's like how I said before that I only get really hungry once I'm in a woman's space. For a split second I thought I had her when she replied "that would be really nice".

The question is though, if that did go through, would the sex have been any good? Would it have been different from the kind of sex I get at brothels?

I am so over brothel sex. I don't know why I went to a brothel last night. I wasn't going to but instead of driving home I drove in the direction of the brothel I frequent, and I thought about it and got a bit horny with the idea. I do get a bit sexually charged at nightclubs whereas normally I have a fairly low charge.

Anyway, I do think free sex will be different than paid for sex. I'm really liking the idea of working towards pleasing a woman rather than just getting my own needs met. But then again, once I have it paid for the magic of what I was chasing unpaid seems to dissipate somewhat - like that there's not that much difference. I think this causes me to go round in a motivational circle, never really getting anywhere. It's a strange thing.

Also, since mentioning pornography recently I've been thinking of actually watching a bit. Like it wouldn't be a big deal and that I'd enjoy it - for a brief moment anyway. But then I wonder if I will get bored of it pretty quickly as I seem to nowadays. Preferably I'd just like to abstain but my hate towards pornography seems to be at a lower level at the moment.

This 'variable hate' also occurs with my attitude towards prostitutes. Last night at the club the thought of going to a brothel was the last thing on my mind (the dudes I got friendly with actually said they were going to go to a brothel at the end of the night and that I should go with them, which is an offer I declined). But once I got in my car to go home, going straight home became less 'cut and dry'. I did manage to drive straight home the previous club night though.

So, having said all this, what's the plan for the future? Well, as usual, no going to brothels during the working week. That's standard and not difficult to achieve. If I see a hot chick tomorrow on my lunch break will I approach her? Mmm, probably not. Will I go to the nightclub again next weekend? Probably most definitely yes.

Meh, time just keeps ticking.

Alright, just a quick little post.

My goal at the moment is to make a full transition from paying for sex to getting it unpaid by the end of the year. At the moment I go a brothel about once a week. If I can instead pick up once a week by the end of the year I will be happy. If I don't get at least one unpaid for root by the end of the year then - I don't know.

This getting an unpaid for root thing is the most stupid and drawn out thing in my life so far. I did find finally obtaining employment difficult but this pick up thing really takes the cake!

Hopefully tonight will be the night.

The mentality I'm adopting now is similar to what I had when I made out with that chick late last year, in that I'm just waiting to get an unpaid for root. Nothing else matters much. I get bored at work. I get bored at home. So what? I'm just waiting for my unpaid root to have my fun.

I don't even care about approaching women now. It's all about the actual fucking now. Put a condom on and stick it in.

I will probably go out to the club tonight on my usual quest. So, field report tomorrow I guess.

Bah, the night turned out crap. I just got stuck in my head and hardly did anything.

Realizations that may help in future:

- I'm not a newbie PUA anymore. Yes, I haven't gotten laid yet but I've been doing pick up for a while now (mid 2013 is when my game shifted up to a whole new level). I've done lots of approaches. In my mind I'm giving myself a promotion.
- I need to be more confident in my own abilities. I'm a player - I should act like it.
- Don't think about sex so much. I don't get that horny and so I find if I think about actually getting sex too much it doesn't help. I like to enjoy looking at and talking to women. Worry about the sex when it happens.
- Stop trying to force the ball. Sometimes when I go out during the day there aren't that many women that take my fancy around. Sometimes the weather is cold and the environment isn't conducive to getting horny. That's okay. I'm not a sex maniac.

No more prostitutes. That's done with now.

PRIMARY GOAL: Be better than I have in the past. I'm more advanced than I was in the past and I should be loving it.

Interestingly to note, I gave myself the same advancement in my head as well. Telling myself "I am not a noob anymore. I am an intermediate because I've already been in the game for over 3 years now."

"I'm a player - I should act like it." HHAHAHHAAH well said. smooth phrase.

For me though I've found that being horny is the source of my motivation to approach. On the other hand for you, it seems that having sex as the goal - puts too much pressure on yourself. The latter part of your FR is about releasing the pressure with the phrase "stop trying to force the ball..."

"NO MORE PROSTITUTES!" LOL

I don't understand what's so bad about paying for a prostitute. You make it seem like it's the end of the world. It's consensual and win/win for both parties involved.

hey man i don't understand why you are so against the brothel?

also with that chick that was giving you a ton of compliments, I would have escalated the vibe ASAP. unfortunately, by the team you realized this - it was already too late. I've found that many times, the golden rule in daygame pickup is: if you hesitate, the moment is lost because often the girl will change her location and logistics will make it very difficult to approach afterwards.

For guys that are trying to help you get laid, I would stick with them and attempt to befriend them as being part of a team is more motivating than attempting to be lone wolf hero.