So Ive been at this a few weeks now. I think Ive been making ok progress. Basically Ive been getting a lot better at opening women and starting conversations at bars and just around trying to talk to at least one new woman daily. Last weekend was a kind of big test as I was going out with some friends to a place I knew would have tons of women. Some of my openers sucked haha but I opened probably 8ish women that night and got a number. So from that respect Im getting better...certainly nothing to write home about though

The frustration is coming in that all of my number closes have flaked and as much as Im getting more comfortable approaching women sometimes Ill really fuck the convo because I run out of shit to say then just say stuff because Im nervous. Its just messing with my confidence. I had a really good opener and convo with this super hot girl that works at my gym. Lots of iois and I think she really liked talking to me. After briefly talking to her again got her number... but I know I messed it up in that conversation because I could tell her whole fucking demeanor changed towards me during the course of me fumbling with words leading up to asking her her number. Naturally she didnt text me back.

A similar thing happened at the gym today again. A girl I had initially talked to and got good vibes from I could feel changed during the 2nd convo when I accidentally asked her the same question twice. Ahh its just wrecking my confidence because I feel like its turning into a self fullfilling prophecy. I dont mean to sound like Im whining...I know its a process Im getting better, I need to get way better. So thats me report thus far. Kind of just needed to get that out. Thanks for reading.

Personally I think guys should put intention into the number close to encourage her to reject you or to accept.

For example:

You - Oh you seem cool, let's stay in touch?
Friendly girl - Yeah, okay, +66*******

(indirect, lot's of numbers but more flakes)


You - Oh cool, How about a romantic private drink sometime?
Girl response 1 - Okay, cool, sounds good bla bla
Girl response 2 - That would be nice but I am not interested


The point is, to reveal her truth by showing your intentions. Of course, you will still get flakes and you will get less numbers. But you will get more dates by adding intentions to the number closes, thus saving you time and driving you crazy learning text game programs thinking your text game is off point when in fact you are just having friendly friendzone number exchanges.

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That makes a lot of sense. I really didn't do that in this situation. I did this "well if you want to go out and do something sometime you should give me your number". Which is completely open ended, and wishy washy now that I reflect on it. Ill try and have something more concrete in mind next time... Im really not in this just to collect numbers which I think most women will give out if you ask for them unless you are super awkward.

On friday I texted her a " Hey hows your friday going? ready for the weekend". This I realize is also weak and Im embarrassed to say that I wrote that as an attempt to get her attention. For whatever reason I got myself into this mind frame that I needed to text her right away. I dont know why. Im kind of hoping all isnt lost on this one but Im not sure if I should try texting her again or waiting until I see her again to asses the situation... or just move on.

Yeah, it's wishy washy, and you're playing not to lose, instead of playing to win.

'Okay cool, Let's meet on x day at x time, do you know where bla bla is?' (Can you see the specific detail, here?)
I don't think the text itself is the problem. An interested girl would still respond to my bold highlight. The problem here is what you're doing BEFORE the number close. Consider this mindset....If a girl replies to a mundane text, then doesn't that show some interest towards you?

Think about that for a sec....Thinking of the most, perfect witty pickup line only conveys that you care about if she replies or not. This is pick up evolution. This is above 'game'. Girls can sense if you're not outcome dependent within your texts.

Do not text her, consider deleting her number so If she replies, re-save it!

If not, learn from it but you should be chasing other leads with other pretty ladies. It is a numbers game my friend. I am considered advanced at this and yet I still get flaked. There are just some things beyond my control. It is just how the game goes.

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I think thats exactly where I got messed up. She had told me she was going to be working the day I number closed her so I was like fuck it Ill do it that day. But she wasnt working at the desk I though she was going to be... she was working at the desk at the entrance so basically I had to approach her and start my convo with her from her back, then to the reverse direction through the turnstile thing to get in front of her to talk to her. Basically it just through me off. And Im sure it showed... fuck. I should have just played it cool and said see ya have a nice day as I left and get her number when the situation was better.

Thanks for the advice I appreciate it. You seem like you know what you're talking about. Not going to text her back. Just going to keep cracking at it. Luckily Im in an environment where there are a lot of good looking women around so I wont get to worked up over this one but fuckin christ shes hot haha.

Good luck

Something that helped my mindset was:

Okay, this may seem might pessimistic, but stay with me...From this day forth, always assume that the number will flake and you never see her again. That way, you have already moved on from her in your mind. This really helps with that 'Insta Oneitus number close' feeling that one always get's when they get a number from a hotty.

The most efficient soldiers in the war were the ones that already accepted they were going to die. Thay way, when they survived the day, it was just a bonus, thus, those were the ones that were more likely to survive,

Eddie mentioned about a stage to go through whenever you get a solid phone number from an interested hotty, consider deleting their number and ditching. I know it seems like a bad idea but this will really grow you as a person because you are willing to throw a girl away for the benefit of your outcome independence.

I used to go home at night after a tough 'Sarge' and would just become very frustrated with flakey phone numbers and even felt a little misogynistic at low times. But now I rarely care about numbers. I do however have the occasional oneitus that always fails due to this needy feeling.

Last month, I got eye contact from a smoking hot Austrian girl. I approached her and she seemed really into me. I suggested a one on one drink and she agreed. I went throughout my day really pleased and kept visualising some amazing romance. I started to text her and she responded and she was very weak on her replies. She kept things vague like 'Oh I'm just meeting friend tonight' but not give me much back in return. In my head I was thinking 'She is on a fucking date with her 'friend', I know it'

I then knew thinking like this was not healthy for me so I deleted her number. She never text me back.

I should have really treated her as just another lead in my phone.

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