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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:42 pm 
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For the next 30 days, I am going to approach at least 5 women per day with the goal of improving my skills interacting with women.

Each day, I will post what I learn here for everyone to see.

Please comment and let me know what you think.


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Day 1
#1 - target in a pair with another girl outside a club – opened up convo. With the target but gave attention (eye contact) to the non-target as well; non-target was more receptive and ended up talking to the non-target where the target moved away in a convo. With another guy; In my convo. I delved into topics related to the opener and was unable to move to a different topic. I believe that is the reason besides the divided attention to each of the pair which caused me to lose the target.

#2 – opened up convo with a girl next to me in a bar – girl was very receptive, talked about a lot of different things after introduction; used kino on boobs by brushing past em occasionally as I was using gestures while talking and the girl was totally fine with it with her bf right next to her. I learnt that all those girls who have a bf may not necessarily be really hard to flirt with and some can even be welcoming; you do not know until you try but this is something I personally would not escalate further unless of course the target really wants it or gives me strong IOI. Either way, not to give myself any credit in this case because I could not isolate the girl frm her bf and the convo. ended with her leaving with her bf.

#3 – opened up convo with another girl who came up next to me to order something; the reply from her was non-provocative/close-ended. I then followed up with another opener but she did not even look at me or reply and faced her friends. I am not sure whether I was not loud enough or if that was a rejection.

#4- HB on dancefloor in a group dancing next to me – opened up convo. She touched my hair spiking em up even more than they were. Did a wee bit of crazy headbang (cz it was rock song playing) that she approved of. Immediately after that I exchanged names with her as intro. Then she said she had a bf! I closed the convo. Telling her that im not asking you to fuck me, and asked her to jst dance with me. That did not happen.

#5- cutie in a group – opened up convo. Following which she immediately turned to her friends dancing. I tried to gt comfy to the group and spoke with one of the guys jst for a bit in the group who was the centre of attention in the group or so I thought as I was told by the cutie that it was his birthday. I was hoping the girl would then give me some attention now but there was no IOI at all. Then, I left the group after standard pleasantries with the birthday guy.


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Day 2
#1 girl walking to work; was in work uniform and could tell from that she worked in a pet shop. I kept the convo. mostly related to pets. What I learnt from the interaction-Making a convo. abt a person's job is not always a great way to build rapport.
#2 woman on a lunch break from work chilling alone in a garden. My opener was with a genuine compliment. The woman was mildly receptive on this. In the attempt to build up an interesting convo. I was making statements rather than asking a lot of questions expecting her to comment/lead the convo. It did not go as expected. and Convo. would have dried up pretty soon but before that could occur she had to leave for work.
What I learnt from the short interaction- not sure
#3 woman sitting in a park busy doing something on phone
After asking her a few questions it asked me a few questions like what I do while still working on her phone. I wrongly took that as an IOI and continued the convo. asking her more questions. But then she blew-out indicating that shez actually working on the phone now and do not have time for "small talk". I apologised and left.
I know now not to invest in someone who does not bother to look at me when I am talking to her unless she is walking with me or in any motion. If a woman goes bk to her phone/tablet/laptop as soon as she replies to me then it means she is really busy and/or not interested in a convo. with me; I would back off then.

#4 pair of girls - did not have a target, aimed to have a good convo. with both in the pair. I was doing well at the beginning but then rather than paying attention to what they were saying, I was constantly thinking of things to talk abt to make it more exciting which I should not have done. As a result, my convo. was drying up and I ejected before they noticed it!
Also I might have made them uncomfortable as I did not sit next to them during the convo.

#5 convo. dried up, I realised that I was still sticking to topics related to opener

#6 Not to compliment on skills one has which is not great; skills such as on playing a guitar. I do not mean to criticise em bt sth like "ive seen worse than that" or "that's not horrendous" gets good response frm target! I realised this whn I insisted the target to play a song on the guitar-like instrument she was casually playing with earlier.

#Met a few more girls today at a friend's birthday party - I did not know most of the folks there but was introduced by the birthday girl to everyone there. The guys were much friendlier than the girls; I felt like I lost my inner game or whatever was left of it when the girls were just sticking to the persons they knew in convo.!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:02 am 
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Day 3

#I led the convo to mostly abt the girl's job and as a result target was not putting any effort into the convo I believe! -I have had this issue with a girl in Day 2 as well
#good spontaneous opener that made the girl laugh built attraction right from the start but also remembered to change topic and not stick around the opener...after some rapport and the aid of a true time-constraint i got her number
#watching football game next to a girl - could not make much convo here while watching the game; even though shez not a big football fan she was not investing anything into the convo. Having convo at intervals whn watching sth has helped me to gauge her attraction towards me. You cannot make everyone like you;along the lines, accept that even a non-HB target cannot be pulled if its jst not into you at all.
#building rapport in convo with jst one girl frm a pair is hard
#girl in a group was not as welcoming as I had expected since I was already familiar with all the guys in the group before meeting the girl; perhaps a girl may not open up in convo as much in front of her predominantly male group of friends


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Day 4
Here, I reflect upon briefly what happened and add in anything that I have learnt on the way. So, its a bit descriptive abt what happened rather than wht I actually learnt because I am not entirely sure wht I have learnt from each interaction. Please do comment if you could spot wht went wrong!

So the first two woman I met today were in a social gathering organised by a friend, and we all hung out together the whole day.
#1 a lot of general talk but no rapport; i discontinued as woman was married
#2 some intense eye contact with her at some point of time in the group hangout but i failed to build enough rapport in that moment and then never got like that attention frm her through the rest of the day.

#3 club scenario - some intro and then danced with the target fr a while; used both verbal and non-verbal communication to build rapport on dancefloor. Was kinda successful here bt whn target asked fr my age, I said yer perhaps too young fr me; this was an HB9 jst entering UNi. Thought that'd increase her attraction towards me bt it backfired n i lost it.

#4target interested in me at first, i go and intro myself and get her name; she smiles bt wnt dance with me! I turn away n dance with my frnds. Sometime latr i face her again n she takes interest in me. I offer to dance and we talked while dancing; here I came to a point where I DHV'd by talking abt hw popular my frnd was in the town which resulted in a blow-out.

#5 next to me in bar - some intense eye contact and chat while queuing, however, logistics to get her out of the bar leaving her friend to the dancefloor with me proved to be near impossible. So, this did not go anywhere!


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Day 5

#1 HB8.5 - approach at bus stop, i was taking the same bus as her. Tried to chat her up as we were waiting for the bus so that i could sit next to her in the bus aftr making her comfy with me. HOwever, I was doing all the questioning and she only answered em without any investment into the conversation. So, I stopped pursuing this target and did not sit next to her in the bus
This was in the morning while she was going to work.

#2 opened up with a scripted opener in broad daylight>>"excuse me, I have to say sth. I think yer really cute". A 6.0 target tht seemed like HB8 frm distance, standing outside by a restaurant. Target was very pale on my opener! So, I took that as a sign that she found me creepy. I compensated for that keeping a distance frm her while talking with a confident body posture like having arms bent and using little gestures and a mild smile. She was answering all my questions that i directed to get to knw her a bit bt did not ask me a single question n was still pale on me. Hence, I ejected politely by getting her name and conveying a standard pleasantry!

the following are in club/bar scenario
#3 tgt with a guy; I walked up to her and asked her abt an unusual drink she was having cz i wanted that drink as well. She tld me abt it and then moved away immediately aftr that without a word!

#4 group opener blow out in club; they said they were lesbians aftr my opener bt i had a feeling they were lying although I did not see em hook up with any guy.

#5 danced with an HB8, talked to her and made some subtle gestures to be flirty and make the dance more fun; basically to convey a clear msg. that i wanna f-close. However, she needed to go bk to her frnds. I tld her one last dance with me and then she could go. She abided and then aftr the soundtrack was over I asked fr her number to which she replied maybe. She was into me bt I did not want to risk a flake. So, I made an ultimatum move; used the 'mystery' (The Game) k-close approach. She kissed me on the cheek. But i needed an answer so I told her that she did not answer my question. She said she'd hold on n i took that response as a 'no' and used the 'mystery' follow-up to a 'no'. She smiled and left.

#6 another group blow out on dance floor; cockblocked. However, was still getting eye contact from a couple of targets within the group. So, I tried to soften up the cockblocker by dancing with her and I did dance with her fr a wee bit bt this woman was still furious at me and did not even have the decency to look at me while dancing with me. I was not angry at her, i tld her to have her eyes at me whn im dancing n she was like no. She left soon aftr that. I stopped pursuing the targets in the group.

#7 cougar in a convict uniform; this was a blow out in style as in I got blown-out with my ego even higher. The opener was abt the uniform she was on to which she replied that she was a convict. I offered my hands to dance with her bt perhaps this was subtle and she did not notice it. Either way, soon after that I said to her I am a convict too and that Im a rapist, would you like to play with me?! The cougar was startled, gave me a stern look and started communicating to her frnds while I danced away with a grin!

#8 HB6.5 jst danced bt didn't get any number nor much kino during couple dancing fr a bit! Had the usual intro whn I started to dance with her bt nothing on her latr on. She would not give me her no. bt offered to add me on fb and i was like 'yea fuck that' in my mind. She asked fr my last name so tht she could add me n i jst gave her the name I had intro myself to her in the beginning of the dance.

What I learnt: open as many sets as you can, have fun on the dancefloor with the music whn yer by yourself. Being cocky/funny may help to deal with blow-outs. The sticky-point frm #5 that went so smooth and then I lost the HB was that i was asking fr a k-close too early on the night out in the club. I should not have made that ultimatum move n jst let her go and catch up latr on in the night or perhaps ask her to intro me to her frnds. Basically, a girl would want to dance with her frnds and would not normally like to leave em fr a guy she'd jst met early on in the night in a club. I should have known better as I had come across this notion in one of Gambler's videos. Well now with this mistake its embedded into my head. Hopefully I will not make this mistake again and be more patient if faced in a scenario like this again.
Taking it as a hobby n none of it personally can help to maintain confidence in blow-outs.


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Day 6

#1 6.0 target- sat next to her with her permission; the screen was partially blocked by a flower-pot, n used this as a legit excuse to sit next to her and watch the football game. But no real game (no rapport or kino back frm girl) so I moved to a different table soon whn one became empty. The kino i used here was jerking my leg to hers whenever there was a near-goal miss (all of this happening under the table so no one else could detect it).

#2 pretty much hit all HBs in the club and eventually ran out of HBs; hardly any verbal game, just well-dressed up and approached (gesturing for dance) as many sets as i saw. Got to properly dance with only one who seemed to enjoy it bt then again she was shy/hesitant in front of her friends, some of whom were mocking my dance moves with her. So, I left this set with her group of frnds and continued sarging on other sets.

What I have learnt:

When a girl says she'd be back in two minutes or needs to go to the toilet whn you jst met her on the dancefloor, chances are its a lie...she does not want to dance with you anymore!
Not all girls give eye contact, a lot of them look away pretending not to notice you when you look at em. The only way i saw to maximise my chances here where I could not talk and it was packed is by offering my hands for dancing to most of the sets I wanted (while being peacocked in terms of clothing).
And I do not approach frm behind although a lot of men do it in clubs when its packed and try to grind where the girl does not even knw wht he looks like; in almost all the cases I have seen the men fail. Sometimes, the girls pretend to be fine with it and do not react negatively but it is only for a brief period and then they move away frm em. Approach from the sides or a frontal approach always gets the girl's notice.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:02 am 
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I had to make a trip out of town on a very short notice for a work-related purpose and the only game i could do was during the journey to my destination and back from there; so during this whole period i only approached 5


a couple of these targets were average/jst below average but still i tried to game just for the sake of practice.

#1 she was seated next to me in the bus journey and from early on I learnt that she had a fiancee for two years. It took me some time to work this one up but i eventually built some rapport with her.

what i learnt- Making a sincere compliment on her hobby (she was making wrist bands with rubber bands of different colour, and i also told her to show me hw she was doing wht she was doing cz it was really cool) was an ice-breaker in the convo where the opener had failed to break the ice. I realised that I built a good rapport with her when she started talking about things going around her as I reduced my effort into the convo and also when she started offering me some of her snacks. Main lesson from here: A girl can show her rapport with you in a different way than the traditional way most girls do i.e. by asking things about you to get to know you well.

#2 HB6.5 used directional opener (btw this was really me needing direction cz i was lost) to the bus station, fortunately she was going to the same bus station and we talked on the way and at the bus station talked for abt 10 min; used verbal + non-verbal techniques to escalate at the bus station from 0 to 80 (out of 100). used her tattoo as an excuse to touch her there, constantly keeping eye contact and slowing down the conversation and also a few other stuff to escalate that i do not remember. I did not have time, all i had was 10 min at the bus station with her and then I had to leave. I used all of those 10 min to build an excellent rapport, and escalation, however, I could not muster the courage to escalate it to a k-close there and then before parting with her.

#woman seated next to me; this was perhaps the most unenthusiastic person i have ever met. convo was boring and i eventually gave up, was so fed up with this person that i did not even say bye to her before leaving the bus. I cannot count how many spontaneous ice-breakers i had to use with this woman, to provoke a good enthusiastic response from her and some of these even made her laugh bt in almost all the cases soon aftr her response she'd turn ice-cold again! I have completely failed with this woman.

#HB8 busy on phone(not talking though), still initiated a convo but it did not go long; she was not much interested and our journey destinations were not the same hence I did not put any further effort.


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Day 7

# HB6 in a group of 3 where two of em were twins and my opener was asking em if they were twins. This attempted pick-up in a bar was a polite blow-out, as soon aftr exchanging names with the target it closed me off by saying it was nice to meet me and then leaving no gap for me in the group to make convo with any of em or listen to em.

#no other targets in the group and no other approaches

#no targets in the club, literally it was full of old folks and a few avg. targets; approached three and they were all blow-outs.
I was approached by an avg. who wanted to go straight for a k-close bt i refused. i tld her that i need some trust and comfort first before she can do that so asked her to dance with me; by then she was dragged away by her friend who i latr found out was the only HB that happened to be there in the club. Bt i did not open this set as she seemed to look after her frnd who tried to k-close me and was drunk.

Wht i learnt: When a girl says no respect it, do not be upset


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Good shit man! Keep it up!!


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So I've been out fr a month due to an unforeseen circumstance in which I could not game at all.
Now, I have resumed from where I last was and aim to complete my goal.
It is going to be more difficult however now as I have moved to a different city with longer working hours.

Day 8
Club scenario:
#1 response plain in bar, did not take it further on the dance floor.
#2 rejection then latr on approval, too tipsy though and preoccupied with Sth in her mind; No eye contact in dance. Eventual failure, I saw this coming and had not invested too much in attracting target.
#3 good response bt no Escalation During dance nor talk. Intro tgt to my friend. Could sense tgtz attr. More towards my friend. Tgt gt bored, I hung around too long with my friend and her. Before this was coming i wanted to change places with target including isolating target to a different place but I had no money; couldn't take her fr drinks and as there was no ESc. On dance with her I couldn't come up with any ideas to isolate her. Target politely escaped. Latr on my frnd found her and they made out. I stayed away frm the scene.
#4 rejection
#5 approach - totally ignored me. A while latr asked me fr wht the time was. I jst tld her the time and that was it.


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Day 9

Went to a bar late night hoping to game and it was totally dead, bartender was the only HB. But she very busy cleaning and moving bottles and stuff.

Still, I initiated convo with her to see her reaction/gauge her interest, and it did not go anywhere.

Could not go anywhere else as it was late night already and other clubs were far away.


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Day 10

#1 Target was a 6. early day morning approach in the train to work. convo. was going in a flow, where i was investing heavily asking her questions like what she does, but was careful not to be inquisitive...convo. however, dried up soon all of a sudden cz my mind went blank. n I still do no know what happened to me there.

Night game

#1 first club i went to turned out to have a special occasion tonight where it was couple styled dance (formal dance) and no usual club music. Most pple were old here. I spotted a 6 standing by not dancing and approached her with an opener abt the style of the dance. Did not give her my name or anything neither asked fr hers. I asked her if she'd teach me to dance in tht style and it was a no (with an excuse that she cannot teach that stuff). Her friends next to her were all girls as well so she did not have a partner. I tried to play relying mostly on my smart outfit there in that approach but it did not work.

outside club
#2 two set - opener targetted towards one of em and was responded to with non-provocative answer, and then they faced away. Basically a blow-out.

by now i have entered another club
#3 HB8.5 opener was a compliment, however, in my approach i ensured that she was at my 9o'clock. The reason for this was if she had rejected my opener I'dve walked away so it would not look like i got blown out or ignored in the views of others on the dancefloor(there weren't many HBs so i did not want to be spotted by other HBs in that pick up). Some small chitchat bt tried to build attraction mostly through dance. This was working without any touch from some distance between me and her.
She jst liked to dance and was not interested in couple dancing. As I realised this, and was also losing my patience, I thought of building a connection by taking her off the dancefloor to a bar for drinks where we could talk. She did not take up my invitation. And I slowly danced away frm her.

I was making a lot of careful observations to cross out the ones with partners/taken. Unfortunately, the rest of the targets, and there were only a few were all taken. Funny thing was that I was being checked out by a couple of these taken targets, but I did not buy into it; my guess is they were to get more attention from their partners. Moreover, the logistics were also poor. Their partners were always around em the whole time, so I could not find a good window to approach let alone isolate the target.
What I learnt from the long observations was that couples may not kiss each other even in a club but they could have stealthy moves that one can look out for to avoid running into targets with their partners present in the club.
E.G. They seem to dance openly allowing plenty of gap for the target to be approached but on occasions the target and the partner would come close together and do things like holding hands only for a brief period in the midst of dancing and maybe only once in a while kiss each other and go back to dancing openly.


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Day 11

#1 perfume shop - a 6 bt this was jst to warm up. Built some rapport quickly. Then asked out to meet up at some point. Target said : only if I buy the perfume bottle
#2 7.5 opened up in a store - walked up to and used the like yer style opener and tgt appreciated it. Built some conn. Quickly and then b4 asking out asked her wht she was upto tht day. She was busy and then I suggested to meet up next day bt she wasn't up fr it. However before parting tgt appreciated me again.
#3 HB9 - familiarised in the queue with an opener without exchanging names however. Plan was to game inside. Whn I stumbled to her in the dance floor latr we exchanged names bt it was too early at night to ask her to dance with me. Cz she was with a frnd and I felt like she would like to dance with her frnd fr a while and nt abandon her. It's Sth gambler also tld to be aware of and nt be pushy give em some time to settle in. Unfortunately they didn't hang around there fr long and the next time I stumbled upon her and her frnd was whn I was getting out of the club. She was wasted then and was being dragged by her friend bk.
#4 cold blow out frm a 9 dancing surrounded by her male companies.
#5# 6...numerous other hits were all on 8 and 9 bt they were all blow outs. Didn't give up jst ran out of HBs to open. Approach was direct in all of em.

Wht I learnt today:
Whn a girl is being hit on by a lot of guys on the danceflr direct approach may not be so great. Indirect could be more potent.


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Day 12
#1 waiting at train platform. Opened a mid aged HB7. Didn't get enough time to close by the time her train came but convo. Was going well.

Slightly off topic fr this- witnessed social proof fr real today. I knew wht it was jst never witnessed it earlier. So I was out with a female friend to a park(not a date) and I was getting looks frm HBs, even frm some with their bf.
Female friends can make it easier to game on others.

#2 HB 8 tgt with a guy - focused on the tgt first. Kept on talking, no esc. Except fr eye cntct which didn't help; this one was a cold one. Didn't give up yet though. Then to find out if the guy she was with was a hindrance or not I went over to e guy and intro. Myself. Aftr some general quest. Like whre ya frm, wht you doing, I asked him how he and the tgt knws each other and found out tht they weren't together in a relationship. Soon latr I resumed focus on the tgt and asked to dance with me bt she refused. Latr on in the club she came by close to me bt no eye contact or change in body lang. So I never approached her again. I wonder if shedve accepted on second try.

#3 HB9 in a group. gt eye contact bt nt solid. I gt her attention though by tht and then she started dancing funny or I guess more actively. I pointed out to her incorporating it in my Dancemove at a distance to see her reaction. There was no response. So the tgt was nt interested bt I felt the urge to doublecheck on tht. So I went over and intro myself and then asked fr her name on the danceflr. Her reply was tht she has a bf; I tld her "wht makes you think I'm hitting on you?" Using my hands as a gesture to put emphasis on it. She was taken aback by tht n then I ejected frm her.

#4 HB9 approached her and she tld me Sth tht started a convo. Then Immediately her frnd took her away by the hand into the dance crowd!!

#5 HB8 in a group. I approached and gt rejected. Latr on I spotted her alone. Aftr observation fr some time I approached her again this time subtly with the bk of my hand brushing on hers as I was dancing next to her. However she took her hand away so it was a rejection again.

#6 tried to open another set dancing alone bt it was a rejection. A guy nearby tld me she had a bf!

#7 tgt with a guy. Faced me and in tht instant I imitated her dance move. She laughed and showed me hws it's actually done and then tld me the name of the dance style. Then we exchanged names and I offered to dance with her bt the guy with her was her bf. I ejected with a handshake n saying it was nice to meet her.

#a few other approaches tht I cannot remember by the end of my night at the club. Despite the rejections I have enjoyed gaming today. The music was good and the lighting systems were crazy on the danceflr; and there were plenty of >7 targets. Moreover this was a Sunday night!! I hope to go to this club again on a weekend.


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