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Hey it's In$tinct here. I'm starting this journal today and it won't be regular field reports. My focus is on Speed Seduction and NLP. Each day I go out I'll try some of the SS techniques and I will share my experience also regarding what I did right and wrong. I seriously think that SS is underrated and the least covered topic here on the forums so maybe this will help others who are interested in this area too.

Now I'm not kind of NLP expert yet, so don't expect me to do crazy things in the beginning. I've set a plan on what I'll learn from basic to more advanced stuff. You're very welcome to give constructive criticism and comments but please leave us alone with the "NLP is evil and manipulative and only a real trash uses such things for seduction" speech because noone here on my thread will be interested in it. I'm not planning on learning and using the OMS, and I'll never force my will on someone because that's just wrong.

So here are my plans for now:

-Covering the very basics
Trying out and experimenting with my own simple patterns.
Accessing and amplifying emotional states using symbols and proper description.

-The basics of rapport.
Proper body language, how and when to mirror and match,
Pacing and leading. How does it work in reality?

-Basic Anchoring.
Anchoring a good feeling to a touch, word, special voice tone etc.

-Starting the real deal. Up to seduce!
More rapport building and getting the target aroused.
Escalating with the help of amplifications and anchors.
Trying out some of the SS materials(quotes, metaphores, applying commands in seduction)

-Getting really into it.
Creating more intense feelings.
Stacking and chaining anchors.
Experimenting. Trying to leave pre-written patterns and improvise on the field to REALLY learn this way of communication.

-Further updates and experiments.

What kind of patterns works and what doesn't?
Looking for key points when using NLP.
Online NLP. Can it work without all the body-language, voice tonality involved? To what extent?
Q's and A's(if there are any lol)

I'm not planning on stopping this journal when I think "I've arrived there". I don't believe in a thing like that. I think there's always somewhere to improve thus I'm planning on continuing this journal as long as I have the time and feel there's a purpose for it.

I'll try to provide as detailed explanation to each and every situation as I can. If you still have questions feel free to put it here in the thread so everyone can benefit.

First field report predicted to come on Saturday, after Friday night, until then I'll get myself comfortable with the materials and construct some basic patterns to try out. Peace.

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NLP is 1 of my weak points I,ve always been interested but never wanted to overload myself with too much pick up methods so I'm loving this!
Good Luck Man!

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Damn... what a messy weekend. So my friend showed up yesterday and we went out. It was brutal... Unfortunately the learning part of the evening was kind of short because we got ourself completely wasted. Overall we drank two liters of red wine each(that's around 4.2 pints). Fortunately in a long period of time. We started drinking at 7.p.m, when we were watching the Olympic Games cheering for our first medal, which is a bronze in 48 kg women Judo, Éva Csernovicki won by Ippon against the world number one rated Fukumi Tomoko we had to celebrate that. Then after the games were done we headed to our local favourite pub.

There was literally noone there I was interested in engaging in any conversation, besides the bartender woman, who's become sort of our friend over the last few semesters :D. So yeah I experimented a little with one pattern but the circumstances(other guests, an idiot raging because he left his bag...), even if it was a simple one just to evoke a state of happiness, didn't let me do it properly and effectively. But, hopefully tonight if I can still manage to go out(which would be a miracle btw...) maybe I'll have better luck.

After leaving the pub at 2 a.m. when it closed we headed to.... ANOTHER PUB... Yaaaaay. There we drank some more, played cho-cho with some guys and then at 6:30 a.m we left. Then we were walking on the streets now officially drunk and got the great idea that the pub we left at 2 a.m. incidentally opens at 8 a.m. So we headed back and had one last drink. Around 11 we came home absolutely smashed and had some sleep. Woke up at 4 p.m., walked with my friend to the trainstation, said goodbye and now here I am.

Now this was completely unexpected... We never planned to drink so much and for so long. We were drinking consequently for over 15 hours. Now I think I'm gonna get some sleep and see if I can manage to pull myself together for an evening with the new girls that just came to the dorm. I really don't plan my reports like this lol, just wrote because I promised. Overall it was worth it because I haven't seen my friend for some time and we had an amazing time and talked about many things concerning our lives.

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this is a fail of a Journal man

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I agree. Currently it is. Uncalculated things happened, so I think I won't be able to go out any time soon. I'll update when I have something to update about lol.

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hahahah.. you really are a dirtypreacher

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Someone really likes me up there. I'm crying about not being able to go out but in the meantime the girls just popped here to the dorm out of nowhere. I met a cuty today on the balcony talked to her for a few minutes. They came from Romania, she from Transylvania, so she speaks hungarian well, and she also has a friend who only speaks english. Tomorrow I'm going to drink a few beers with them on the balcony. I'll just cut my balls off if I don't go for this. The result is what currently bothers me the least. I'm just happy that I can finally game chicks again lol. Report coming on Friday.

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Wednessday night was the ultimate learning experience. That of course mean that I haven't closed anyone. I'm used to things somewhat going offtrack, but this time, NOTHING went according to plan.

As I said, I was to have a beer with two girls on the balcony. Well that happened... for about 5 minutes, before a dude and the girl invited us to the party on the 5th floor. There were a bunch of people there, and everyone went to the 8th floor to start drinking games and there were already some people there too. We decided that it's dark and windy, so it wasn't a good place to play card drinking games, and I told them that the studying room on the 4th floor is empty, so we ended up there. At this point, my planned targets have already left the party but I didn't care since I had many others. There were about 5 other guys, and 15 or so girls. Nice ratio, I thought ;)

Then the drinking games started and social dynamics started developing. This caused me several problems. First, the set was never together(this made the game difficult too). Everyone was just talking in 3-4 sets and it was impossible to gather everyone together. The other problem was that most of the other dudes had serious game. Especially one of them. He was a good looking, tall, well-dressed and groomed guy with a very confident attitude and body language, who I first suspected to be just a badass natural, but later as I was inspecting him I got very suspicious about he being a PUA. Let me list you the things that gave me this suspicion:
1) A textbook neg he threw at one of the girls(hand-model neg)
2) He asks a girl: "Are you nervous?"
Girl goes: "Yes, a bit"
He says: "I could tel. I can read body language very well".
3) Girls are talking about some chump that hit on them. Dude goes:
"You know I could tell that he didn't know what he was doing from the start of this story. Because he didn't even know the most important thing, that if there are more girls in the group, you need to choose one and then isolate her from her group"

There were also some boyfriend destroyers he threw at one of his targets but those could actually be naturals. However, noone talks like this^^, unless he's read up.

Nevermind. So I knew that this guy is going to rule the party, and that some of the other guys too are forces to count with. Unfortunately I got between the mother-Hen(more on her later) and a very ugly chick. I mean... I really wanted to try out my skills just for the sake of experience, and I tried not caring about her looks, but she was just soooooo off, that I couldn't concentrate and I could bet that not a single sentence of mine was congruent. Some people had difficulties with understanding the rules of the drinking game(which is very surprising, because I played it the first time, and I got it...), I used these opportunities to take some advantage and take the lead.

After we were finished with the drinking game, we went to a club. And this is when the night started to become brutal. On the way, I started chatting up a girl, and it went pretty well, altough it was quite casual talk, I was planning on escalating in the club, but then again, this plan was obliterated later.

So we arrived at the club, and started dancing. So let me tell you... I'm a horrible dancer. But it's been quite a while that I don't care about this, and that I can still escalate farely well. So what was the problem? First, my new target was not keen on dancing at all. With anyone. She was just moving back and forth and sitting down sometimes. One of these times I approached her but I was blown out. It was clear that she was in a bad mood and that she didn't like the place at all. Later she got lost with one of the alpha guys. When later I asked him whether there was something between them he told me that she was cold as ice and it would have been impossible.

Now for the dancing part. Here three things ruined my chances of closing.

First, the PUA guy. He was there, having fun, dancing with all of the girls, high fiving people, talking to people, and well... he was the fucking party. I just didn't stand a chance against him. Also note that the other guys were pretty great dancers and knew how to party as well. What highered my chances was there was an ultimate chump among us. He clearly wasn't having a good time, and he didn't fucking notice when miss ice-queen hit on him. Yeah, it seems like she likes awkward dudes. It happens.

Now for the second chance-breaker, it was the mother-hen. She was not the regular fatty. She was actually very hot, but she was clearly the leader among the girls. I actually wanted to start dancing with her. Not even hitting on her, I REALLY just wanted to have fun, and she refused it. Twice. It was over... Get shot down by the mother-hen you're fucked.

Third, and this is that made that night really mind-blowing. I've told you about how we had AMOGs in the group, how we had an ultimate alpha guy(really...I don't think I've seen anyone so confident and in the moment, in his own reality in person), and that we had almost 3 times more girls than guys. Guess what... NONE of the girls got hooked. None of them... Not even a kiss. I was shocked. Because.... usually when I go to party with such a big group, it just splits up in 2 hours or so and everyone except for the fatties and the chumps find someone either from or outside from the group to make-out with. And this time noone hooked-up. And what was extremely surprising that the superman dude I was talking about has also failed to close the girl. She picked a two-set right from the beginning and he played it magnificently. Turns out one of them had a boyfriend and he just says "That's cool" and moves on. And he didn't take away any attention from her either, he just gave the other girl more. And by giving more attention I don't mean seeking approval, I mean gaming her more. It was just brutal, the girls were slaughtering us.

Now for my part. There's not much to say. Dave Riker talks about the steps of speed seduction, they goes like this:
1) Opener
2) Getting and keeping interest
3) Directing the interaction
4) Close.

According to these steps I got shot down each and every time either at step 1 or 2. And basically... all the other guys did too.

Unfortunately, most of NLP use applies in step 3. So apart from some subtle suggestions which had little to no effect I couldn't try too much stuff. Only with the girl I was talking with. I got her pretty excited with a pattern. I don't remember it exactly, it was quite spontaneous, but it was something like this:

-Have you ever felt really excited about something? Excited in a good way. Like meeting an old friend, or someone special.
-Yeah, of course.
-Isn't it a wonderful feeling? I mean... when you FEEL EXCITED, it's like everything just becomes faster. And everything becomes more colourful, more vivid, more...exciting. Just as you were on an island by completely alone. You were there helpless for a month or something and then... the rescue arrives. It's that feeling if you imagined it, what I call FEELing EXCITED.

So this was as far as I got. But I have gained an invaluable amount of experience just on this single night, the only thing that annoys me is that I really wanted to dedicate this journal to NLP and Speed Seduction, and so far it seems like a harder job to do so than I thought.

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I read somewere that NLP and SS are very difficult when night/club gaming, because she does not pay attention to your words. It would be such a great idea for you to attemt some daygame.
I usually pick up at night so I only use few patterns, but I hope to someday have the nuts for daygaming. Then I'll use NLP.
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Okay, here's a quick update. My studies have kept me way more busy than I thought they would. I almost had 0 chance to practice NLP. I have a few targets though, and I started a Strawman on one of them. Quick background on this:

Girl is very cute and attractive. I met her because she lives on the same level in the dorm as I. When I got to know she had a boyfriend I kind of backed off because I usually don't want to get involved with the relationships of people that I know. But then...I met her boyfriend. He is a fucking ASSHOLE. Literally... He's not the "good" Bad Boy. He's just a stupid jerk. Once there was a party and he made out with another girl in front of his girlfriend!! Just because she kind of ignored her for the day and he wanted to make her jealous.

So that was the moment when I decided: NO... I'm not gonna let this douchebag have this quality girl and make her life miserable while I could be giving her so much value. I started a Strawman, and I don't think that it needs much work. The girl had already doubted this relationship even before I got myself involved. All I need is a few hours with just the two of us and I'll do my best.

I have this strange feeling that I can have her. I don't know why, because I haven't gotten an excessive amount of IOIs or anything that was obvious, but I just have this feeling that I'm able to pull her.

The relationship is weak and I undermined it further in a very manipulative way. I told her that there was a girl who was crying for me because of her douchebag boyfriend who kept cheating on her. Then she asked me why they were together then? Then I told her my little monologue. It was something like this:

"I'm experienced with situations like this. The girl won't leave her until she has doubts. Right now everything in the relationship is working fine. The dude is generally very gentle, and caring with her. He can always make her smile no matter what, and the sex is like magical. You know... I really know women very well and as long as the only problem in the relationship is that their boyfriend is cheating, they just won't leave for good."

This does several things:
1) The way I told her this, the way I looked at her, the short period of time that was there between her incident and our talk, and the entire context of our convo will make sure that she associates this douchebag boyfriend with hers.
2) This implies, and makes sure that she knows that if the dude cheated once, he will cheat twice, and more.
3) After this, she will have further doubts about the relationship being generally worth it.
4) There's no way that their relationship is as good as I described this completely fictional relationship, undermining the entire thing further more.
5) Whenever I feel like I need a further push, I can just pull this same card again, about this fictional girl and her problems, and I can just form the story accordingly.

So yeah... I admit... I put a little NLP thing into this whole stuff too. It's difficult to describe it though because I was using the non-verbal part of it way more, than the verbal.

Anyway... I'll update ASAP if anything happens regarding this situation OR if any other progress is made regarding my studies in NLP.

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It's been a while. Shit I should be focusing on this thread more...

So just a word for that last girl. I didn't manage to do anything with her. Whatever. I don't care anymore...

I have other things going on currently. Interesting things with a girl.

This situation is either going to be awesome, fragile, or fucked up. It will turn out. Next weekend my roommate and many of our friends leaves the dorm because it will be a long weekend. I will call this other girl over for that weekend and see how it goes and write a report about it. I intend to use NLP and Speed Seduction too. It's a perfect opportunity since there will be just the two of us in a quiet dorm room. Peace :)

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Okay... report coming for now the situation is awesome :D We've decided we would get together with this girl. Though fuck it again no NLP was involved. I don't know it's just the vibe I feel. If I feel it I go for it if I don't feel it I don't go for it. Sorry for the typos I'm slightly drunk currently. Oh that's a never forget. Alcohol- connecting people :D Later when I'm sober I'll post another, more detailed report but I won't volunteer for that now.

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Alright then... Report as promised.

So this girl has been a friend of mine for quite a while now. It was absolutely a double friend-zone situation. Well of course as I can't really help at this stage, there was sexual tension in our interactions but we were living prooves that friendship between male and female is possible... Damn that Bullshit. I really used to believe in it, now I'm strongly doubting it.

So one of my friends came to visit two weeks ago and we have had quite a good amount of alcohol. Me and this girl slept together old-school big spoon small spoon like. Nothing else happened that day but from that point the air was like flaming around us. It was inevitable. I never really acted on it I truly just went with the flow.

Now she stayed for the weekend at my dorm room since my roommate left. Thursday we had some drinks and interestingly still nothing happened. I didn't really feel the urge to move so I didn't force it. On Friday, we kept things light because On Saturday she had to go for her driving lessons. Yesterday though after she came back and we had lunch we headed to our favourite local bar to play some pool. She's getting better and better at it though she couldn't win any game against me, however we've won against some other dudes on pair. Now we started to get drunk so we came back to the dorm and drank some more. And it was impossible not to move at that point. I think if someone watched us with termo-vision it should have shown a heat of some nuclear blast. We kissed and then decided that we should talk.

We sat down and started talking and not so surprisingly we thought exactly the same. Both of us knew that this would happen and both of us felt the change after that night. She said: "If you really mean it, I don't mind it." So we agreed and cuddled. Talked a bit, then headed to sleep. Well that didn't stop here. We started kissing again and ended up on the bed. It was one of the most intense moments of my life. I gave her an orgasm with my hands and then she proceeded to give me oral. I didn't cum but it would have been a surprise. I have this strange thing that for the first two times with any kind of monster-in-bed-girl I just can't cum. Well she still has one shot to break that rule :D

We didn't have sex though. She's a virgin girl and if it was not for her I'd have never got into this. I don't like starting with virgins. Especially since she's deeply christian of the type that wants to wait with sex until marriage. I'm not worried about this one. No way she's gonna keep herself to this.

I'm pretty much the first MAN in this girl's life. She had a boyfriend that only wanted to fuck her, and another that was ashamed of her in public. She will drop this no sex thing in a few months for sure, and at this point I think it's going to be worth it.

For the NLP part, I again thought I didn't use much stuff. But hell that's not true. For this last period I forgot that NLP is a lot more than stupid patterns and anchors. You don't need that shit to be effective with NLP. It's more than enough to create a vibe and amplify it. To be fair I didn't really do that conciously, and I don't really know how I did it, I just felt something and I went with it, I really can't explain further.

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Who cares about some other dude. He has nothing to do with you. Do you thing and let the chips fall where they may.

Second, anytime you isolate a girl, you can turn anything around, period. Lay down the frames, the descriptive language, the nlp and let it back. Expect it to work. Sometimes it is immediate and sometimes you come back in a week and you just notice the connection is there. Let her fight it all she wants, it won't do any good. Persuasive language work with everyone. (j_xuma - yahoo.com)


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What other dude? I haven't mentioned any other dude in my latest post I think... Have you read the whole thread, bro?

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