Went to Grams in Odessa. Place was dead

Cashier - small talk till some more people came in. I decided not to go in. Came back after a few paid and said we should continue this conversation what would be the best way to do that. She shrugged and said i don't know. Give me your phone number and i'll stay in touch. i have a boyfriend. i heard they are like colds easy to catch and easy to shake off. i can't he would get really jealous. eject

review - didn't run any routines per say just made observational comments. Used one BFD line but should know more.

Hired gun #1 - a group of three girls and one old bald guy come in. To promote a different club in town. I'm next to the bar so i lean against it and over my shoulder tell the HG1 that her shoes are untied. (she's wearing boots) she looks down…. no they aren't. and laughs. No one told me this bar is so dead on weds. you should come to our bar, primal nights its way better. small talk about the bar and then she gets pulled away.

review - openers seem fine but can't get set to hook.

Hired gun 2 - at table with their manager. i approach and open. On an scale of 1-10 how good of a dancer are you. a fuckin 12! 12 you say prove it. i didn't bring my dancing shoes. I don't believe you… say whats the difference between a pivot and a chenne? are those wines? no those are dance terms. Like ballet? Ya. i'm not a fucking ballerina i thought you said you were a 12… well i'm not a fucking ballerina. eject

review - i think her answer was a shit test that i didn't pass. Would appreciate some advice on this.

3 set - on a scale of 1-10 how good of a dancer are you? All three hem haw and say 4is the the target says 7. Ok then you can show me how to dance. Hey, do you think drunk i love yous count? (i sit down at their table). They respond and i finish the routine, then ask target to dance and tell her friend she's next and high five her. We dance then go back to the table. i leave and dance with another chick who was way drunk. Come back, sit down, do lying test on target and friend. Then tell target put your number in my phone. why? think of a good reason then put your number in my phone. She wouldn't so i changed the topic and Opened new guy thats at the table but seems to know the girls.

review - during the whole interaction her friends wouldn't dance with me but would dance with other people. I noticed and told the target i think they are trying to get us alone. When asking for her number i was seeing some girl code from friend to target. She was trying to say "hey ask this amog to dance so you don't have to give out your number"
Would like some advice on how better to handle this set.

I have read a couple of your posts and field reports. You are doing your stuff in alcohol environments which starts you out behind the 8-ball already especially if you are fairly new to game and by yourself.

I do have a few observations as I try to picture some of this stuff in my mind.

I would drop all these book routines you have memorized. Obviously, you are getting over your shyness and you don't need the proverbial training wheels as much. I think it's hurting your game some. Try to mix up your openers and follow up lines and not use the same thing twice.

You start out lying when you say you work for quality control there or whatever. They really don't like liars even if they can smell it's a joke.

You are saying "your shoes untied" when it's not. That's a little bit lame if the shoes not untied.

You also seem to be showing too much interest. You may not think you are but you seem to be trying too hard in each interaction.

You are asking, on a scale of 1 to 10 how good of a dancer are you? I don't like this b/c if they aren't good, it makes them insecure. If they are good, they may not want to brag. Never-the-less, it sounds like you are inviting them to dance and I just think it's a little bit awkward how you are doing it. It's like , they don't know how good you can dance, yet you are calling their bluff or taunting them in effort to impress them. It's low percentage stuff.

I also think you may be pursuing women a little bit out of your league for an alcohol SPAM. It's been my experience in 13 years of night game that you could draw up the picture perfect body and face as a composite for what the average woman finds best looking. Let's throw out a name like channing tatum or brad pitt for instance. Even with looks like that but relative inexperience like you have, memorized start up lines,and no social proof in the venue you basically need to expect either a bigger woman, or average run of the mill appearance or both. You're far from getting the proverbial "9".

You make some good points wingintyme but one thing I will disagree on... the boot line was fine... he was giving her shit and it worked just fine... she looked and it created a moment for them which is why he got such a good conversation started... it was natural and funny...

I don't like canned openers myself so I simply don't use them... I prefer situational openers or direct game... as I feel canned/indirect make it harder to transition...

I'd also disagree that they are women out of his league... I don't believe any woman is out of your league as long as you carry yourself right... dress right... and have high self-esteem... I know what you are trying to say but I think you should tell him how he can add value rather than say I don't believe you are playing in your league... upgrade him to the major leagues rather than tell him he's a tripple a player...

Honestly you are opening sets just fine... but after you open the set you're missing the transition... at some point the clown and joker goes away but stays close (you still joke but not as frequently) and shift into more of a connection style of interaction where you guys "qualify for each other" through common interests and the inquiring questions (be careful not to be too that guy)... you should focus more on maintaining a conversation once you get the interaction going... I've had conversations with women for hours, some even 30 minutes when they had places to be (I gotta go but they enjoyed the conversation so much they continued on for a while afterwards)... Learn to be easy to talk... to talk to for hours... to connect and you'll be solid...

Yes kino can be improved but your interactions are seeming so forced as wingintyme alluded to that it's hard for you to say I should go kino...

Kino should be flirting shoulder to shoulder, arm around her, arm on shoulder (early), etc... not high fives... that is basic touch but I'd prefer to touch a woman on the upper arm to establish a basic touch interaction to begin with (one study showed your odds improve twice as much when getting a phone number from that basic touch)... following a basic physical escalation process I would go with an introduction hand shake to begin kino tbh... as soon as you hook the set with a bit of interest you should go directly into a confident introduction... If you need I can give you my own personal intro women seem to find charming introduction...

The basic thing you need to take into these interactions... they are supposed to be fun... don't make them awkward or force them... have some fun... when you are having fun in a social environment people will reflect that and find you more attractive because they will connect you with a good feeling (this is the root of attraction)...

Always ask for phone numbers on high notes... when it's all positive... stop doing it towards the end of the interaction... this makes it easier to say no... also when you ask for a number make it a side note to the conversation... "you know what... you seem like an interesting woman (look for compliance)... it feels like we have something here (look for compliance)... we should go to coffee (look for compliance)... (hand her your phone ready to input number) here put your number in here so we can have another interesting conversation"... what these number closes are are small compliance ladders if you're not sure how into you you're target is... it also creates multiple yeses... so you have her saying yes... yes.... yes... yes... it's harder to say no... this is a basic sells tactic that you learn when learning to sell. Creating a positive momentum will make easier if you're not sure about her attraction level... or if she seems tentative... once you can read her attraction well you won't need it... you'll just know.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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