Ok, this makes me so MAD because i was very close to success but for some reason i am not entirely sure of, i messed it up in the end.

First things first, i am relatively new to the PUA scene, with two months of studying and sarging. Last week during sarging i have met an 8 that also works as a waitress in a couple of bars and after DHVing her i facebook-closed. Three days later she agreed on a date and we went to some bar in the center of the town. I went for rapport-building topics (what is your favorite movie, what is your favorite place to be, oh me too), i established a strong frame and i did different tests/gambits/routines: i started with Murder-marry-shag, then with the Cube, the Greek gods rings routine, we played the Three lies game and the Five lies game were she bought me some shots Through out the whole time i've received some major IOIs (touching her hair, touching me in the arm with me replying constantly this will cost you 10$, telling me about the next time we will go out etc).

Then i bounced her to a second bar. After some rapport building, we played again Murder-marry-shag where i included myself to the three people and she replied that she would marry me. I've made the Kino trust test and she completely complied: she put her hands on top of mine with her palms down, she squeezed back when i squeezed and she lowered her hands as i lowered mine. Then i went for the kiss: We played Cajun's question game and as my last question i asked her how good kisser is she. She responded "well, i guess i am around 8" and i replied with "do you think we should find out?" and i leaned in for the kiss, but she leaned back and avoided it with something like "i will decide when".

I tried to freeze her out by saying that is time to leave, but i am not sure if i generally sounded too disappointed or not. Afterwards i drove her home and i went again for the kiss but she avoided me for the second time and she left without building a time bridge first… So, i have two questions. First of all, what do you thing i did wrong? Should i had more kino escalation before going for the kiss? Second and most importantly, what should be my next steps? This happened three nights ago and since then neither of us has contacted back (in fact i know that she will be out of town for the next few days). Should i call her during the next week to give her one last chance to go out with me and then try to escalate again? Or does this sounds needy and i should show her that i have more options by completely ignoring her and waiting for HER to call back?

Thank you!!

While there's no way to know if you could have done something differently to change the outcome, you definitely over gamed this girl hard. You gotta learn how to be yourself also and not just play PUA games an entire date. Also murder-marry-shag with yourself in it? That puts a girl in a real awkward situation man. I don't know what PUA book would tell you to do that but it sounds stupid to me.

As for going in for the kiss. You didn't build enough comfort for that. You should be able to FEEL when the right time is for a kiss, you will KNOW that you will not get rejected. Part of the problem is again, overgaming. Too much PUA stuff versus focusing on real genuine kino (not just kino games, tricks, and gimmicks) which would make it easier for you to determine whether there was real comfort.

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Great reply from TheFury...

So basically i screwed it up...What should be my next steps? Should i call her again or wait for her move (if she makes one)?

I definitely agree with TheFury. I think you gamed this girl way too much to the point where it wasn't natural. That tends to be what most people do initially when getting into pickup; including myself.

As far as what you should do next, I think your best bet would be to give her a little space for like a week or so. Heck you can even go out sarging again and post pictures on FB with you and other girls (making sure that she'll probably see them). It'll make you look more valuable.

When you do end up meeting up with her again, I think you should make it like a group thing. Tell her to invite a friend or something and you bring someone too. This way she wont be as uncomfortable, because Im sure she kinda is at the moment.

Cheers, and good luck

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